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From: Mike Hunter on 31 Jan 2010 18:49 Once again our friend Canuck57 is telling us the sky is falling LOL "Canuck57" <Canuck57(a)nospam.com> wrote in message news:TXl9n.17664$p66.8695(a)newsfe09.iad... > On 31/01/2010 1:08 PM, hls wrote: >> >> <clare(a)snyder.on.ca> wrote in message >>>> >>> Actually, nobody dumped anybody. GM cancelled Pontiac. The Vibe was a >>> Pontiac. With the end of Pontiac there was no longer a Pontiac Vibe to >>> be built. The car was not sold under any other GM brand. >> >> That is almost right. It was made by the NUMMI facility, which GM dumped >> and Toyota decided not to continue. The Vibe was a sister of the Toyota >> Voltz that was a Japanese failure. > > You have to look at it from Toyota's perspective. UAW plant in expensive > California.... Just the overhead in dealing with California government > greed and complexity would need a small army of accountants, legal, HR and > others to keep it going. Why not just close it? Excess capacity and make > them elsewhere. > > Good cost cutting move. Stupid place to put a auto manufacturing plant in > anyway. Probably was subsidized by California government at one time > before they went broke.
From: Mike Hunter on 31 Jan 2010 18:49 "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message news:pan.2010.01.31.20.26.00.980275(a)e86.GTS... > On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 14:27:59 -0500, clare wrote: > >> On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 15:49:04 -0500, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> >> wrote: >> >>>On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 19:25:18 -0500, Tom wrote: >>> >>>> "Canuck57" <Canuck57(a)nospam.com> wrote in message >>>> news:eH%8n.68114$PI7.41298(a)newsfe17.iad... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Funny, Toyota is helping out GM Vibe customers. LMAO. >>>>>Why not toyota designed them and built them for GM. no wonder gm >>>>>dumped >>>>>them I am LMAOl >>> >>>Who dumped WHO?! >>> >>>I think you have that backwards. >>>Before I say what I'm going to say, bear in mind GM has had about 15 >>>times >>>the number of recalls as Toyota. >>> >>>Toyota ended the relationship with GM. >>>I think it's because GM just didn't care. >>> >>>NOW LYAO. >>> >>> >> Actually, nobody dumped anybody. GM cancelled Pontiac. The Vibe was a >> Pontiac. With the end of Pontiac there was no longer a Pontiac Vibe to >> be built. The car was not sold under any other GM brand. > > > Toyota pulled out of NUMMI after GM suggested something, I can't recall > now, but it was something similar to Democrats trying the same thing over > and over and expecting a different result, and Toyota said, "ENOUGH!!!" > >
From: Mike Hunter on 31 Jan 2010 18:51 Apparently you do not read the trade papers, if that is what you choose to believe LOL "Canuck57" <Canuck57(a)nospam.com> wrote in message news:TXl9n.17664$p66.8695(a)newsfe09.iad... > On 31/01/2010 1:08 PM, hls wrote: >> >> <clare(a)snyder.on.ca> wrote in message >>>> >>> Actually, nobody dumped anybody. GM cancelled Pontiac. The Vibe was a >>> Pontiac. With the end of Pontiac there was no longer a Pontiac Vibe to >>> be built. The car was not sold under any other GM brand. >> >> That is almost right. It was made by the NUMMI facility, which GM dumped >> and Toyota decided not to continue. The Vibe was a sister of the Toyota >> Voltz that was a Japanese failure. > > You have to look at it from Toyota's perspective. UAW plant in expensive > California.... Just the overhead in dealing with California government > greed and complexity would need a small army of accountants, legal, HR and > others to keep it going. Why not just close it? Excess capacity and make > them elsewhere. > > Good cost cutting move. Stupid place to put a auto manufacturing plant in > anyway. Probably was subsidized by California government at one time > before they went broke.
From: Mike Hunter on 31 Jan 2010 18:53 Get real! Toyota pulled our after GM gave up because they did not want to pay union wages or use 70% of parts made in the US as was a requirement in the UAW contract. "hls" <hls(a)nospam.nix> wrote in message news:ltednfuRl5yVnPvWnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d(a)giganews.com... > > "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message > news:pan.2010.01.31.20.26.00.980275(a)e86.GTS... > >> >> Toyota pulled out of NUMMI after GM suggested something, I can't recall >> now, but it was something similar to Democrats trying the same thing over >> and over and expecting a different result, and Toyota said, "ENOUGH!!!" >> > > It was discussed on the group some time ago. > IIRC, GM pulled out related to the cost cutting times around the > bankruptcy. > The plant had always been a disaster, too expensive. > Toyota had no reason to continue to use this plant with Pontiac gone and > no Vibe to make. The high cost of California did this one it.
From: Mike Hunter on 31 Jan 2010 18:54
Once again our friend Canuck57 is telling us the sky is falling LOL "Canuck57" <Canuck57(a)nospam.com> wrote in message news:ldo9n.29428$_96.3869(a)newsfe02.iad... > On 31/01/2010 3:39 PM, Conscience wrote: >> On 2010-01-31 14:15:35 -0800, "hls" <hls(a)nospam.nix> said: >> >>> The high cost of California did this one it. >> >> The sooner socialist politicians realize that crippling taxes cost jobs, >> the better we'll be for it. > > Not likely to happen, but I agree with your statement otherwise. > > Bernie Madoff, $50 billion into a black hole and goes to jail, Obama drops > $2 trillion, of which $100 Billion or so into GMs black hole. Even more > for "select" banks because the select rich deal there. Pretty hard to > explain to Warren Buffet, Bill Gates and others the FDIC limits. > > Ever wonder why one bank gets assistance and another does not? Bet the > government would not want people to see the client lists and cash in > accounts for a little scruteny. > > And Congress is looking at Bernie like a top criminal. While Wagner gets > a $20 million pension from Gm-Caryle. Just depends on who you are ripping > off. > > Go figure. Have to feed the biggest corruption engine in the USA, > Washington DC. Times are tough, some will not be paying for the senators > and congress people this upcoming election. I wonder who will drop out. > |