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From: dr_jeff on 31 Jan 2010 20:33 Mike Hunter wrote: > What part of, 70% of parts made in the US as was a requirement in the UAW > contract, did you not understand? I understand your statement. It is quite simple. And it is incorrect in that there is no contract between the UAW and NUMMI that 70% of the parts content have to come from the US. In fact, last year, the Vibe and Matrix had 61% and 65% US/Canadian content, respectively. You're welcome to check for yourself, here: <http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/portal/site/nhtsa/template.MAXIMIZE/menuitem.bead436724af02e770f6df1020008a0c/?javax.portlet.tpst=4427b997caacf504a8bdba101891ef9a_ws_MX&javax.portlet.prp_4427b997caacf504a8bdba101891ef9a_viewID=detail_view&itemID=539ed5c474a5a110VgnVCM1000002fd17898RCRD&viewType=standard&detailViewURL=/portal/site/nhtsa/template.MAXIMIZE/menuitem.bead436724af02e770f6df1020008a0c/?javax.portlet.tpst=4427b997caacf504a8bdba101891ef9a_ws_MX> > You are partly correct, the remaining > 30% were shipped in from far away, as in imported, like most of the parts in > the other Toyotas assembled in the US. Most of the parts in Toyotas built in the US come from US and Canadian plants, not from overseas. Jeff > "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message > news:0eednSfKfvUjg_vWnZ2dnUVZ_sNi4p2d(a)giganews.com... >> Mike Hunter wrote: >>> Get real! Toyota pulled our after GM gave up because they did not want >>> to pay union wages or use 70% of parts made in the US as was a >>> requirement in the UAW contract >> Get Real yourself. There never was a requirement that 70% of the parts be >> made in the US. (If I am wrong, prove it.) It's true that Toyota didn't >> want to pay UAW wages. Another problem is that only 11% of the parts where >> made within 400 mi of the plant. So the rest had to be shipped in from far >> away. >> >> Jeff >> >>> "hls" <hls(a)nospam.nix> wrote in message >>> news:ltednfuRl5yVnPvWnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d(a)giganews.com... >>>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message >>>> news:pan.2010.01.31.20.26.00.980275(a)e86.GTS... >>>> >>>>> Toyota pulled out of NUMMI after GM suggested something, I can't recall >>>>> now, but it was something similar to Democrats trying the same thing >>>>> over >>>>> and over and expecting a different result, and Toyota said, "ENOUGH!!!" >>>>> >>>> It was discussed on the group some time ago. >>>> IIRC, GM pulled out related to the cost cutting times around the >>>> bankruptcy. >>>> The plant had always been a disaster, too expensive. >>>> Toyota had no reason to continue to use this plant with Pontiac gone and >>>> no Vibe to make. The high cost of California did this one it. >
From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 31 Jan 2010 17:58 On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 18:53:44 -0500, Mike Hunter wrote: > Get real! Toyota pulled our after GM gave up because they did not want > to pay union wages or use 70% of parts made in the US as was a requirement > in the UAW contract. Good! Nothing wrong with that. Why should Toyota put up with GM's errors? > > > "hls" <hls(a)nospam.nix> wrote in message > news:ltednfuRl5yVnPvWnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d(a)giganews.com... >> >> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message >> news:pan.2010.01.31.20.26.00.980275(a)e86.GTS... >> >> >>> Toyota pulled out of NUMMI after GM suggested something, I can't recall >>> now, but it was something similar to Democrats trying the same thing >>> over and over and expecting a different result, and Toyota said, >>> "ENOUGH!!!" >>> >>> >> It was discussed on the group some time ago. IIRC, GM pulled out related >> to the cost cutting times around the bankruptcy. >> The plant had always been a disaster, too expensive. Toyota had no >> reason to continue to use this plant with Pontiac gone and no Vibe to >> make. The high cost of California did this one it.
From: Canuck57 on 1 Feb 2010 08:30 On 31/01/2010 6:18 PM, Conscience wrote: > On 2010-01-31 15:18:40 -0800, Canuck57 <Canuck57(a)nospam.com> said: > >> On 31/01/2010 3:39 PM, Conscience wrote: >>> On 2010-01-31 14:15:35 -0800, "hls" <hls(a)nospam.nix> said: >>> >>>> The high cost of California did this one it. >>> >>> The sooner socialist politicians realize that crippling taxes cost jobs, >>> the better we'll be for it. >> >> Not likely to happen, but I agree with your statement otherwise. >> >> Bernie Madoff, $50 billion into a black hole and goes to jail, Obama >> drops $2 trillion, of which $100 Billion or so into GMs black hole. >> Even more for "select" banks because the select rich deal there. >> Pretty hard to explain to Warren Buffet, Bill Gates and others the >> FDIC limits. >> >> Ever wonder why one bank gets assistance and another does not? Bet the >> government would not want people to see the client lists and cash in >> accounts for a little scruteny. >> >> And Congress is looking at Bernie like a top criminal. While Wagner >> gets a $20 million pension from Gm-Caryle. Just depends on who you are >> ripping off. >> >> Go figure. Have to feed the biggest corruption engine in the USA, >> Washington DC. Times are tough, some will not be paying for the >> senators and congress people this upcoming election. I wonder who will >> drop out. > > I wrote here months ago, that compared to Congress and the current WH > occupant, Madoff is a rank amateur. You were right. Americans should see this a selective law enfrorcement and proof positive that the government is not in control by the people, but controls the peoples.
From: Mike Hunter on 1 Feb 2010 11:38 What get me is they put Bernie Madoff in jail for doing the same thing the federal government has bee doing since 1933 with Social Security. Will we put our Senators and Congressmen in jail when SS goes belly up, in the not too distant future? LOL "Conscience" <nobama@g�v.com> wrote in message news:hk5a56$s43$1(a)news.albasani.net... > On 2010-01-31 15:18:40 -0800, Canuck57 <Canuck57(a)nospam.com> said: > >> On 31/01/2010 3:39 PM, Conscience wrote: >>> On 2010-01-31 14:15:35 -0800, "hls" <hls(a)nospam.nix> said: >>> >>>> The high cost of California did this one it. >>> >>> The sooner socialist politicians realize that crippling taxes cost jobs, >>> the better we'll be for it. >> >> Not likely to happen, but I agree with your statement otherwise. >> >> Bernie Madoff, $50 billion into a black hole and goes to jail, Obama >> drops $2 trillion, of which $100 Billion or so into GMs black hole. Even >> more for "select" banks because the select rich deal there. Pretty hard >> to explain to Warren Buffet, Bill Gates and others the FDIC limits. >> >> Ever wonder why one bank gets assistance and another does not? Bet the >> government would not want people to see the client lists and cash in >> accounts for a little scruteny. >> >> And Congress is looking at Bernie like a top criminal. While Wagner gets >> a $20 million pension from Gm-Caryle. Just depends on who you are >> ripping off. >> >> Go figure. Have to feed the biggest corruption engine in the USA, >> Washington DC. Times are tough, some will not be paying for the senators >> and congress people this upcoming election. I wonder who will drop out. > > I wrote here months ago, that compared to Congress and the current WH > occupant, Madoff is a rank amateur. >
From: Mike Hunter on 1 Feb 2010 11:40
Looks like our friend "Canuck57" might have gotten something right for a change. LOL "Canuck57" <Canuck57(a)nospam.com> wrote in message news:LHA9n.31323$Fm7.7267(a)newsfe16.iad... > On 31/01/2010 6:18 PM, Conscience wrote: >> On 2010-01-31 15:18:40 -0800, Canuck57 <Canuck57(a)nospam.com> said: >> >>> On 31/01/2010 3:39 PM, Conscience wrote: >>>> On 2010-01-31 14:15:35 -0800, "hls" <hls(a)nospam.nix> said: >>>> >>>>> The high cost of California did this one it. >>>> >>>> The sooner socialist politicians realize that crippling taxes cost >>>> jobs, >>>> the better we'll be for it. >>> >>> Not likely to happen, but I agree with your statement otherwise. >>> >>> Bernie Madoff, $50 billion into a black hole and goes to jail, Obama >>> drops $2 trillion, of which $100 Billion or so into GMs black hole. >>> Even more for "select" banks because the select rich deal there. >>> Pretty hard to explain to Warren Buffet, Bill Gates and others the >>> FDIC limits. >>> >>> Ever wonder why one bank gets assistance and another does not? Bet the >>> government would not want people to see the client lists and cash in >>> accounts for a little scruteny. >>> >>> And Congress is looking at Bernie like a top criminal. While Wagner >>> gets a $20 million pension from Gm-Caryle. Just depends on who you are >>> ripping off. >>> >>> Go figure. Have to feed the biggest corruption engine in the USA, >>> Washington DC. Times are tough, some will not be paying for the >>> senators and congress people this upcoming election. I wonder who will >>> drop out. >> >> I wrote here months ago, that compared to Congress and the current WH >> occupant, Madoff is a rank amateur. > > You were right. > > Americans should see this a selective law enfrorcement and proof positive > that the government is not in control by the people, but controls the > peoples. > > |