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From: Mike Hunter on 25 Feb 2010 18:51 It seems to me before a manufacture can blame a supplier they must first show that the supplier did not build the part to its specks. Toyota has not blamed any of its suppliers, from what I seen in new reports "Clive" <clive(a)yewbank.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:Qzt+sfCkNqhLFwe0(a)yewbank.demon.co.uk... > In message <QuidnRjN_4LnlRvWnZ2dnUVZ_gGdnZ2d(a)linkline.com>, Uncle_vito > <uncle_vito2002(a)yahoo.com> writes >>Made in Japan only applies to the accelerator fix. If it is a software >>problem, all bets are off. Could be in cars no matter where made since >>they >>do noit know the cause. How can they say which cars are not affected? > I live in England and I have had a recall for my car which was made in > Nottingham England, I understand mot of the parts are locally sourced so > that implies that the design is faulty. > -- > Mr Coleman >
From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 25 Feb 2010 19:48 On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 16:20:52 +0000, Clive wrote: > In message <QuidnRjN_4LnlRvWnZ2dnUVZ_gGdnZ2d(a)linkline.com>, Uncle_vito > <uncle_vito2002(a)yahoo.com> writes >>Made in Japan only applies to the accelerator fix. If it is a software >>problem, all bets are off. Could be in cars no matter where made since >>they do noit know the cause. How can they say which cars are not >>affected? > I live in England and I have had a recall for my car which was made in > Nottingham England, I understand mot of the parts are locally sourced so > that implies that the design is faulty. I believe the accelerators for Europe were sourced from CTS as well.
From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 25 Feb 2010 19:50 On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 09:37:20 -0600, Steve wrote: > jim beam wrote: >> On 02/24/2010 09:19 PM, Uncle_vito wrote: >>> Made in Japan only applies to the accelerator fix. If it is a >>> software problem, all bets are off. Could be in cars no matter where >>> made since they >>> do noit know the cause. How can they say which cars are not affected? >> >> dude, it it were a software problem, /all/ their vehicles would be >> exhibiting the exact same problem all the time. > > So you believe that they use exactly the same software build in every > vehicle? > > ROTFL!!! I don't get where he said that. A lot of people are pointing to the electronics, but since the affliction spans a lot of models, electronics seems out of the picture.
From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 25 Feb 2010 19:54 On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 10:37:24 -0500, C. E. White wrote: >> Since your pedal was sourced from Japan, and not CTS in the US, it does >> not have this problem. > > Are you sure this is true? I haven't been able to find a decent > description of the Denso pedal assembly. Are you sure it is that much > different? Got a link to pictures? Interesting post. That's what I get for listening to NBC News. No, I don't have any pix, but the Denso pedals don't seem to have the problem > >> But here's a hint: turn your cruise control OFF when you're not using >> it. >> OFF, not just Cancel, or hitting the brakes. OFF. > > Since most current cruise controls (and by most I am including > manufacturers other than Toyota) use soft switches (i.e., switches that > send a signal, they don't actually disconnect the circuit), I doubt if > this makes any difference. Both "cancel" and "off" just send a signal to > the computer telling the computer to initiate a function. Off is just a > different signal than cancel. In the old days "off" actually cut the power > to the cruise control. Now for many autos, off only means, "don't pay > attention to other cruice control inputs." Ford got tired of people > blaming the cruise controls for UA, so they added the stupid brake line > switch to physically cut power to the cruise control actuator when the > brakes were pressed. And then this screwed up. Fix a bug, add a bug.... > I'd be tempted to go back to vaccum operated cruise controls! > > Ed They were inefficient, but when you went below ~30MPH, they lost their 'memory' and had to be reset to work .
From: bob on 25 Feb 2010 19:55
In article <Xns9D2AB50D8C0F4tegger(a)208.90.168.18>, invalid(a)invalid.inv says... > > "C. E. White" <cewhite3(a)mindspring.com> wrote in news:hm66bl$rnb$1 > @news.eternal-september.org: > > > > > "jim beam" <me(a)privacy.net> wrote in message > > news:ksWdnXsZp4N7GhvWnZ2dnUVZ_oqdnZ2d(a)speakeasy.net... > > > >> double-standard bullshit. frod bribed the entire congress into > >> accepting a lie about tires being at fault for a fundamentally > >> flawed vehicle design. where the heck were all you guys then? > > > > You have to quit repeating this lie. Explorers were no more > > "fundamentally flawed" than other mid sized SUVs from the 1990's. As I > > have pointed out to you multiple times, the accident rates, injury > > rates, rollover rates, etc. for Explorers were actually better than > > for most competitive vehciels and far better than for 4Runners from > > that period. Explorers actually had much lower injury rates that > > "Average" vehciles in that time period. > > > > The two vehicles are not really comparable. The Explorer and the 4Runner > attracted different markets, with the 4Runner's market being younger. > Younger is generally associated with higher accident claims. > > I've never driven an Explorer, but I did spend two weeks driving an Escape, > a few years ago. I was quite impressed with the truck's handling. For such > a tall vehicle, it was surprisingly nimble and well-controlled. Had I been > in the market for a small domestic SUV, I think the Escape would have been > my choice. Tegger, The Escape is not a truck-based SUV. It's chassis is a modified version of the old Mazda 626 from when Ford had a large share in Mazda. It's also used in the Mazda Tribute. They are both made on the same assembly line, although very few parts are interchangeable. Bob |