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From: Mike Hunter on 25 Feb 2010 11:07 Another YABUT, YABUT diversion. If what he believes to be true was actually true, why are those same Explorers still on the road today, not rolling over today? "C. E. White" <cewhite3(a)mindspring.com> wrote in message news:hm66bl$rnb$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > > "jim beam" <me(a)privacy.net> wrote in message > news:ksWdnXsZp4N7GhvWnZ2dnUVZ_oqdnZ2d(a)speakeasy.net... > >> double-standard bullshit. frod bribed the entire congress into accepting >> a lie about tires being at fault for a fundamentally flawed vehicle >> design. where the heck were all you guys then? > > You have to quit repeating this lie. Explorers were no more > "fundamentally flawed" than other mid sized SUVs from the 1990's. As I > have pointed out to you multiple times, the accident rates, injury rates, > rollover rates, etc. for Explorers were actually better than for most > competitive vehciels and far better than for 4Runners from that period. > Explorers actually had much lower injury rates that "Average" vehciles in > that time period. The facts are out there. You prefer to ignore those and > it makes you look like a lair. > > Trying to deflect attention from the Toyota problems by lying is a sad > tactic. > > Ed >
From: Clive on 25 Feb 2010 11:20 In message <QuidnRjN_4LnlRvWnZ2dnUVZ_gGdnZ2d(a)linkline.com>, Uncle_vito <uncle_vito2002(a)yahoo.com> writes >Made in Japan only applies to the accelerator fix. If it is a software >problem, all bets are off. Could be in cars no matter where made since they >do noit know the cause. How can they say which cars are not affected? I live in England and I have had a recall for my car which was made in Nottingham England, I understand mot of the parts are locally sourced so that implies that the design is faulty. -- Mr Coleman
From: MLD on 25 Feb 2010 11:41 "Vic Smith" <thismailautodeleted(a)comcast.net> wrote in message news:31uco5pm34c0aupnah8d0lsh3g3ttkq4kt(a)4ax.com... > On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 12:22:58 +0000 (UTC), Tegger <invalid(a)invalid.inv> > wrote: > >> On Feb 23, 7:47 pm, john <johngd...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>> The floor mats and sticking pedal accounts for only 30% of the >>> problems. The true cause of sudden acceleration is still not known so >>> no real solution is possible. IMO it's the electronics. >> >> > --Vic > <SNIP> <SNIP> My take on the sudden, uncontrolled acceleration is that it's root cause is tucked away somewhere in the electronics. Has anyone ever got involved in dealing with RFI (Radio Frequency Interference)? I've dealt with two interesting cases where RFI caused a significant problem in aircraft. One, complete loss of engine power. Cause was a radar signal that triggered the closing of a fuel Shut-Off Valve. Happened every time an aircraft (helicopter) flew past a particular radar station. The second, also a helicopter, two engines: Every time the pilot pushed the transmit button on his high frequency radio one engine rolled all the way back to its Idle setting--it recovered as soon as he released the button. The cause of both incidents was improper shielding of the aircraft wiring harnesses. The aircraft manufacturer was sloppy in his design--improved shielding fixed both problems. Cars now are more and more dependent on electronics and somehow can't shake the feeling that spurious signals are causing some of these unexplained incidents. As a side note; military electronics are subjected to rigid testing; bombarded with all kinds of RFI signals to determine if there is any undesirable behavior. I doubt if the automotive industry comes anywhere close to that kind of testing or evaluation. MLD
From: Ed White on 25 Feb 2010 16:22 On Feb 25, 10:58 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstr...(a)frontiernet.net> wrote: > "C. E. White" <cewhi...(a)mindspring.com> wrote in messagenews:hm66i9$u0a$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > > > The important question is - who is funding Dr. Gilbert's "research? My > > understanding is that it is funded by trail lawyers. Trail lawyers don't > > care about facts or truth, except as they can be twisted to suit their > > purposes. They have no problems at all misrepresenting the facts in an > > attempt to extort moeny from corporations (and of course, eventually from > > "us"). > > > Ed > > In 40+ years of hiking, I have never found the need for a trail lawyer. Me either. What I need is a spell checker that knows what I meant to type :)
From: Ed White on 25 Feb 2010 16:43
On Feb 25, 10:09 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstr...(a)frontiernet.net> wrote: > "C. E. White" <cewhi...(a)mindspring.com> wrote in messagenews:hm6346$ukt$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > > > > > > > > > "john" <johngd...(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > >news:632aabcb-70bd-4397-879b-f6da50eb972f(a)l12g2000prg.googlegroups.com.... > >> The floor mats and sticking pedal accounts for only 30% of the > >> problems. The true cause of sudden acceleration is still not known so > >> no real solution is possible. IMO it's the electronics. > > >> "In earlier testimony, David Gilbert, a Southern Illinois University > >> professor, tells the panel he was able to produce in a lab environment > >> a sudden-acceleration incident using a Toyota vehicle, in essence by > >> introducing a short between two circuits. > > > Consider who is paying for this research....Trail Lawyers! > > > This is eerily like the Audi 5000 frenzy. When 60 minutes did their > > hatchet job on the 5000, they produced an "expert" who "proved" that the > > 5000's automatic transmission could force a kick down of the accelerator > > pedal, resulting in sudden acceleration. Good old Ed Bradly presented this > > as some sort of scientific proof. Only later did we learn (and not from > > CBS) that the expert added an extra hydraulic pump and external piping to > > demonstarte this "failure" mode. > > > There may or may not be an actual problem with the Toyota electronics. But > > an "expert" that creates shorts to "prove" there is a problem is not the > > sort of expert I trust. > > > Ed > > I see no indication that any expert claims to have proven anything. Maybe > you're interpreting something differently than I am. Please highlight the > words you read and surround them with five asterisks on either end of the > phrase, *****like this*****.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - "Prove" was probably to strong a word. I suppose I should have said "an expert that creates wildly unlikely shorts to demonstartes how the electronics could casue the problem is not the sort of expert I trust." Ed |