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From: C. E. White on 25 Feb 2010 10:52 "jim beam" <me(a)privacy.net> wrote in message news:ksWdnXsZp4N7GhvWnZ2dnUVZ_oqdnZ2d(a)speakeasy.net... > double-standard bullshit. frod bribed the entire congress into > accepting a lie about tires being at fault for a fundamentally > flawed vehicle design. where the heck were all you guys then? You have to quit repeating this lie. Explorers were no more "fundamentally flawed" than other mid sized SUVs from the 1990's. As I have pointed out to you multiple times, the accident rates, injury rates, rollover rates, etc. for Explorers were actually better than for most competitive vehciels and far better than for 4Runners from that period. Explorers actually had much lower injury rates that "Average" vehciles in that time period. The facts are out there. You prefer to ignore those and it makes you look like a lair. Trying to deflect attention from the Toyota problems by lying is a sad tactic. Ed
From: C. E. White on 25 Feb 2010 10:55 The important question is - who is funding Dr. Gilbert's "research? My understanding is that it is funded by trail lawyers. Trail lawyers don't care about facts or truth, except as they can be twisted to suit their purposes. They have no problems at all misrepresenting the facts in an attempt to extort moeny from corporations (and of course, eventually from "us"). Ed
From: Mike Hunter on 25 Feb 2010 10:56 YA THINK? Look what has happen to the cost of cars ever since the government got into the business. The average new car today cost $30,000. Before the government got into the business you could buy a new full size car for $3,000 "C. E. White" <cewhite3(a)mindspring.com> wrote in message news:hm661q$p58$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > > "Tegger" <invalid(a)invalid.inv> wrote in message > news:Xns9D2A4B185CB99tegger(a)208.90.168.18... > >> Or it's simple pedal misapplication, which is the most common cause of >> SUA >> by far, and is essentially out of /any/ automaker's control. > > Not really - software that recognized both pedals are pressed could cut > power to the engine. The shift interlocks that force you to press on the > brakes before shifting into gear were a "fix" for the Audi 5000 UA > concerns. If the Safety Nazis get there way, there will be so many fixes > for potential/theoretical driver errors, that cars won't be usable, or > affordable. > > Ed >
From: JoeSpareBedroom on 25 Feb 2010 10:58 "C. E. White" <cewhite3(a)mindspring.com> wrote in message news:hm66i9$u0a$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > The important question is - who is funding Dr. Gilbert's "research? My > understanding is that it is funded by trail lawyers. Trail lawyers don't > care about facts or truth, except as they can be twisted to suit their > purposes. They have no problems at all misrepresenting the facts in an > attempt to extort moeny from corporations (and of course, eventually from > "us"). > > Ed In 40+ years of hiking, I have never found the need for a trail lawyer.
From: Mike Hunter on 25 Feb 2010 11:02
Actually there are 600,000,000 vehicles in the world today, not 8 million. "Steve" <no(a)spam.thanks> wrote in message news:uY6dnSIUILg5ARvWnZ2dnUVZ_hednZ2d(a)texas.net... > Tegger wrote: > >> >> The lab that Toyota retained managed to reproduce Gilbert's result, but >> said that they found it extremely unlikely that such an event could >> actually occur in the real world. >> >> > > The problem here is that people just don't understand the mathematics of > probability theory. Something that occurs once in 100,000 vehicles over a > 5 year period is "extremely unlikely," I think everyone can agree. But if > there are 8 million vehicles on the road, that is 8 million "tries" and > statistically the event should happen 80 times in 5 years. > > No manufacturer is EVER going to make it 100% certain that the ECU doesn't > get a false wide-open throttle command for the simple reason that there > are electromechanical sensors involved which can fail, and wiring can > fail. That can be made very rare, but not absolutely impossible. > > What every other manufacturer DOES do is put in logic so that touching the > brake pedal immediately overrides the wide-open throttle command and > brings the engine back to idle, even if its still getting a WOT command > from the (faulty) pedal mechanism or wiring. > > |