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From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 20 Feb 2010 21:36 On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 17:06:49 -0800, ChrisCoaster wrote: > On Feb 20, 5:46 pm, Hachiroku ハチロク <Tru...(a)e86.GTS> wrote: >> On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 04:25:54 -0800, ChrisCoaster wrote: >> > On Feb 20, 2:34 am, Hachiroku ハチロク <Tru...(a)e86.GTS> wrote: >> >> >> - Show quoted text - >> > __________________________ >> >> > Notice Hachiroku how I have not mentioned the name "TOYOTA" until now? >> > That's because I'm probably the only one on this thread who has the >> > sense to trash what really needs trashing - this FRICKIN' ELECTRIC >> > POWER STEERING! Let's focus on the root of Toyota's - and every other >> > mfgs - problem - a technology that hasn't been fully developed before >> > implementing in any country's car. >> >> > -CC >> >> ROFL...Yup, you didn't did you? >> >> With all the guff Toyota is taking, all of a sudden "I don't like this >> about my Toyota" or "I don't like that about my Toyota." Fine! Put it up >> for sale! They're bargains right now. I'll take it, get it fixed, and >> have a decent car! >> >> What car were you talking about, BTW? > __________________________ > I experienced electric PS on a 2005 Chevy Malibu, and you can read my > description of it's road feel a few posts back. I'll say it again: while > the media has Toyota in firing range, I'm targeting what really needs to > be looked at: this electric power steering. The problems with the Corolla > could have happened to ANY MAKE utilizing the frickin' thing, GOT IT? > Honda, Chevy, Ford, VW, whomever! So it's NOT a Toyota problem, it's an > unproven technology problem. Get it through your thick skulls - ALL of > you. > > -CC Um yeah, yeah I get it! Yes, it could be a similar feeling on all vehicles that employ it. And not all issues 'reported' by the medi...er, that is, actual Toyota owners my just be their unfamiliarity with their cars. Owner's Manuals are wonderful.
From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 20 Feb 2010 21:42 On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 17:54:44 -0800, ChrisCoaster wrote: > I never said rule out power steering completely. Just build a hydraulic > system that #1. facilitates parking, #2. tapers off gradually up until 20 > - 30mph(depending upon size/weight of vehicle), until #3. it shuts down > completely. I have that on my Corolla http://www.dragtimes.com/images/5319-1985-Toyota-Corolla.jpg Notice the model year in the URL...
From: ChrisCoaster on 20 Feb 2010 22:20 On Feb 20, 9:42 pm, Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B <Tru...(a)e86.GTS> wrote: > On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 17:54:44 -0800, ChrisCoaster wrote: > > I never said rule out power steering completely. Just build a hydraulic > > system that #1. facilitates parking, #2. tapers off gradually up until 20 > > - 30mph(depending upon size/weight of vehicle), until #3. it shuts down > > completely. > > I have that on my Corolla > > http://www.dragtimes.com/images/5319-1985-Toyota-Corolla.jpg > > Notice the model year in the URL... _______________________ Wow - a fastback 'rolly! Notice I didn't say "hatchback". That actually holds its own against anything after 2003 as far as looks goes! Whatever happened to those days, man? Well, nice to know you have ps similar to what I described above. There are two main categories of power steering - regardless of form(electric or hydro): fixed and variable. Manufacturers, particularly GM, were notorious for using a waaayyy overboosted fixed setting on most platforms, making even a 20ft Bonnie or DeVille a snap to park - but impossible to maneuver through turns or curves. Now why did they do that, Hachi? So LAZY AMERICANS who want everything EASY didn't have trouble parking the damn things!! "Handling"? Duhhh..whut's that? LOL Next is variable ps, which uses bleed-back or speed-related sensors to gradually reduce the ps assist as veh. speed increased. But that costs $$$, right? Which is where I come in: If variable PS is so expensive and/or difficult to manufacture for the masses(those folks who don't drive expensive German sedans), then I for one would gladly settle for a car that is *a bit* of a beast to park, but tight and stable at any speed over 10mph. That is, a fixed pressure PS system at a lower than usual pressure. I know this is probably in the works, but I think a dashboard push- button solution might help - have three settings for steering assist: Max, Normal/Var., and "Sport"(which addresses the desires in my last paragraph). This is something where an Electric PS might really shine - since it's all electric, have an electronic user interface so different drivers can select the amount of road feedback and steering feel they desire simply by selecting one of several settings. Build in a brake-pedal sensor so a selection canNOT be made unless a foot is on the brake. -CC
From: Mr Coleman on 20 Feb 2010 22:46 In message <hlo3b1$d1l$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>, =?iso-2022-jp?q?Hachiroku_=1B$B%O%A%m%=2F=1B=28B?= <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> writes >Nissan learned their quality lesson in the 90's, and they changed. Expect >Toyota to do the same. This side of the pond, Nissan has gone down in quality since it merged with Renault. -- Clive
From: Clive Coleman on 20 Feb 2010 23:27
In message <hlpl6l$k3i$1(a)panix2.panix.com>, Scott Dorsey <kludge(a)panix.com> writes >Too many GM products steer like ocean liners... you can turn the wheel >20 degrees and nothing happens, the dead band is so severe. If you can turn the wheel at all from straight without the front wheels moving the your vehicle is using "Recirculating Ball", this system normally leaves a dead zone in the middle, but some car makers like it as it makes the steering geometry simpler, especially when setting up Ackermanns principle. Here in the UK, only Rack and Pinion is used, as it's the only steering system precise enough (no play) to get through the MOT. -- Clive |