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From: Ashton Crusher on 23 Feb 2010 00:33 On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 23:56:00 -0500, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote: >On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 21:26:54 -0700, Ashton Crusher wrote: > >>>And if none of the things I've said above happen, I'm going to turn my >>>back on them just the same as I have GM. >>> >>>so there. >>> >>> >> >> Latest news is the Toyota Memo where they all pat themselves on the back >> for talking their way out of a recall (which has now backfired) and saving >> $100 million in the process. When Ford allegedly did that with the Pinto >> you Toyota fan boys were all over Ford for it, where's your condemnation >> for Toyota? > >Look up Ford Automatic Transmission Recall. 14M vehicles. Ford printed 14M >stickers for the dash that said "This vehicle may go from Park to Reverse >at any time without warning." > >My roomate stuck his to our refrigerator. > > I see you avoided answering the question.
From: AZ Nomad on 23 Feb 2010 11:09 On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 10:44:31 -0500, C. E. White <cewhite3(a)mindspring.com> wrote: >You seem to dismiss any and all complaints about Toyota >sudden/unintended acceleration as driver error, while at the same time >you seem to claim that all similar complaints against Fords are >completely factual. How do you see that as reasonable? There isn't nor has there every been a toyota with an engine remotely as strong as the brakes. If you stomp on the correct pedal and the brakes have been maintained, the car will stop.
From: C. E. White on 23 Feb 2010 11:17 "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message news:hlvn50$a6k$5(a)news.eternal-september.org... > Look up Ford Automatic Transmission Recall. 14M vehicles. Ford > printed 14M > stickers for the dash that said "This vehicle may go from Park to > Reverse > at any time without warning." > > My roomate stuck his to our refrigerator. A few facts might be in order here: You are wrong about what the label said. What was said was: IMPORTANT SAFETY PRECAUTION Before leaving the driver's seat, you should always : 1) make sure the gear selector lever is engaged in Park 2) set the parking brake fully 3) shut off the ignition. Unexpected and possibly sudden vehicle movement may occur if these precautions are not taken. Refer to your owners manual. for other important safety information. You might want to consider what Ford actually claimed and quit depending on trail lawyers for your misinformation. See: http://nhthqnwws112.odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/acms/docservlet/Artemis/Public/Recalls/1981/V/RCRIT-81V008-9702.pdf http://nhthqnwws112.odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/acms/docservlet/Artemis/Public/Recalls/1981/V/RCONL-81V008-1709.pdf http://nhthqnwws112.odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/acms/docservlet/Artemis/Public/Recalls/1981/V/RCDNN-81V008-8294.pdf My parents and I owned Fords of that vintage (1970-1980). I never had any problem with a Ford automatic jumping out of park. It also seems unlikely that every Ford, no matter which automatic transmission installed could have exactly the same problem. Ford sent the stickers to everyone who owned a Ford with an automatic from that era (more like 21M than 14M). Ford sold vehicles with at least 5 different types of Automatics during the period (FMX - supplied by Borg-Warner, C-3 from Ford of Europe, C-4 and C-6 manufacturerd by Ford in the US, and Jatco - sourced from JATCO in Japan). Some had column shifts, some had floor shifts. They were installed in multiple models with completely different shift linkages. The claim that all these automatics, which were internally quite different, installed in different vehicles, with multiple different shift linkages, all potentially had the same defect is beyond ridiculous. Ford was sure there was not a problem. NHTSA was being run by Claybrook disciples (the Nader shark lawyer team so to speak) at that time. Back then NHTSA was out for automaker blood. The 1980 NHTSA wasn't the sort of "let it slide" organization that allowed Toyota get away with blaming the problems on bad drivers and the internet we have today. The sticker recall was actually a tacit admission by NHTSA that there wasn't a significant problem. Having Ford send out stickers allowed the NHTSA exces to claim they had won a victory, when in fact, they had only managed to waste a lot of the Government's and Ford's time and money. It was a sham recall for a sham problem so as to cover the asses of a bunch of NHTSA execs who tried to trump up a non-problem and justify their existence. Maybe the Toyota UA problems will turn out to be the same. Maybe not. I still say, if NHTSA had been vigilent in 2007, there would not be a fire storm over Toyota UA problems now. Ed
From: C. E. White on 23 Feb 2010 11:19 "AZ Nomad" <aznomad.3(a)PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote in message news:slrnho6odm.bdv.aznomad.3(a)ip70-176-155-130.ph.ph.cox.net... > On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 23:56:00 -0500, Hachiroku ?$B%O%A%m%/ > <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote: >>On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 21:26:54 -0700, Ashton Crusher wrote: > >>>>And if none of the things I've said above happen, I'm going to >>>>turn my >>>>back on them just the same as I have GM. >>>> >>>>so there. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> Latest news is the Toyota Memo where they all pat themselves on >>> the back >>> for talking their way out of a recall (which has now backfired) >>> and saving >>> $100 million in the process. When Ford allegedly did that with >>> the Pinto >>> you Toyota fan boys were all over Ford for it, where's your >>> condemnation >>> for Toyota? > >>Look up Ford Automatic Transmission Recall. 14M vehicles. Ford >>printed 14M >>stickers for the dash that said "This vehicle may go from Park to >>Reverse >>at any time without warning." > >>My roomate stuck his to our refrigerator. > > Reminds me of the VW solution to cars that burned oil: a "check > oil" > sticker around the fuel filler. Ford did that too...at least for some 4 cylinder vehicles We also got a sticker warning us not to use certain types of oil in my Dad's 1978 Ford Courier (as I recall we weren't supposed to use any oil that claimed "CC" compliance).. Ed
From: C. E. White on 23 Feb 2010 11:28
"Ashton Crusher" <demi(a)moore.net> wrote in message news:chm6o55ok9rpko9eralq4p7ktkjuanp241(a)4ax.com... > It's an opinion piece without a shred of evidence for it's > allegations. A typical right wing hit piece aimed at undermining > the > Obama Administration. The WSJ has no credibility anymore. While it is an opinion piece, I think it offers an opinion to consider. The column never addresses the truth or untruth of the allegations about Toyota engine speed control problems. It merely highlights how poorly the whole situation has been handled. I can agree with that. It has turned into a witch hunt. If NHTSA had responded properly to the large number of complaints in 2007 and to the warnings from State Farm, it is likely there would not be the massive over reaction we are seeing today. Both Toyota and NHTSA are to blame for the frenzy. Unfortunately for Toyota, they are likely to suffer more than NHTSA. Congress may chide NHTSA for mishandling the complaints, but in the end, government bureaucracies rarely suffer for long. Probably NHTSA will be hyper-sensitive to complaints for a few years. I'd hate to be the next company that gets a lot of complaints.... Ed |