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From: dr_jeff on 18 Feb 2010 08:54 Tegger wrote: > john <johngdole(a)hotmail.com> wrote in > news:13e57575-ca27-4b87-b2a5-d7aff4b207f9(a)s36g2000prh.googlegroups.com: > >> Veered sharply at highway speeds? Must be junk design. > > > Or an unsubstantiated allegation, which most of these "complaints" are at > this point. That's true of the brake problems. Apparently, Toyota and the NHTSA failed to address the reports and take appropriate action, leading to a big mess. > You're aware that some half of all collisions are single-vehicle crashes? A > single-vehicle crash is an embarrassing thing to be involved in; it's an > embarrassment leading to the possibility of owners blaming their bad > driving on the car. IINM, some of the reports were from people whose cars did not crash. As computers control more of a car's function, I hope the computers will keep better data, so that when there is a problem, engineers can upload the data and determine what really happened. >> "Many of the complaints report that vehicles unexpectedly veered >> sharply at highway speeds of 40 miles per hour and above. At least 10 >> injuries have been alleged." > > > > "Alleged". Good word. And they remain "alleged" until proven otherwise. One > can "allege" anything he likes. > > If EPS is so bad, how come there were no problems with the MR2's similar > EPS? > > > >
From: Tegger on 18 Feb 2010 08:56 dr_jeff <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in news:dLCdnXPoScvi2-DWnZ2dnUVZ_rWdnZ2d(a)giganews.com: > Tegger wrote: >> john <johngdole(a)hotmail.com> wrote in >> news:13e57575-ca27-4b87-b2a5-d7aff4b207f9(a)s36g2000prh.googlegroups.com >> : >> >>> Veered sharply at highway speeds? Must be junk design. >> >> >> Or an unsubstantiated allegation, which most of these "complaints" >> are at this point. > > That's true of the brake problems. It's also true of the new PS thing. The NHTSA has said so. > Apparently, Toyota and the NHTSA > failed to address the reports and take appropriate action, leading to > a big mess. The "big mess" is in the media alone. So far, ONE death confirmed as being specifically due to a stuck gas pedal. -- Tegger
From: dr_jeff on 18 Feb 2010 09:02 Tegger wrote: > dr_jeff <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in > news:dLCdnXPoScvi2-DWnZ2dnUVZ_rWdnZ2d(a)giganews.com: > >> Tegger wrote: >>> john <johngdole(a)hotmail.com> wrote in >>> news:13e57575-ca27-4b87-b2a5-d7aff4b207f9(a)s36g2000prh.googlegroups.com >>> : >>> >>>> Veered sharply at highway speeds? Must be junk design. >>> >>> Or an unsubstantiated allegation, which most of these "complaints" >>> are at this point. >> That's true of the brake problems. > > > > It's also true of the new PS thing. The NHTSA has said so. > > > >> Apparently, Toyota and the NHTSA >> failed to address the reports and take appropriate action, leading to >> a big mess. > > > The "big mess" is in the media alone. So far, ONE death confirmed as being > specifically due to a stuck gas pedal. How do you confirm that a death is due to a stuck gas pedal? Do you have to call in to 9-1-1 and say that you're going to die from a stuck gas pedal? A stuck gas pedal is a really hard thing to confirm.
From: Tegger on 18 Feb 2010 09:16 dr_jeff <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in news:Q6ydnUuaVefv1eDWnZ2dnUVZ_sqdnZ2d(a)giganews.com: > Tegger wrote: >> >> >> The "big mess" is in the media alone. So far, ONE death confirmed as >> being specifically due to a stuck gas pedal. > > How do you confirm that a death is due to a stuck gas pedal? Do you > have to call in to 9-1-1 and say that you're going to die from a stuck > gas pedal? A stuck gas pedal is a really hard thing to confirm. > OK, then we have NO deaths confirmed as being due to a stuck gas pedal. What a witch-hunt. -- Tegger
From: nm5k on 18 Feb 2010 10:09
On Feb 18, 6:54 am, Tegger <inva...(a)invalid.inv> wrote: > john <johngd...(a)hotmail.com> wrote in news:53abe15c-ca24-451e-92cb- > 924747baf...(a)l12g2000prg.googlegroups.com: > > > Many owners have posted about steering problems here, and guess what? > > There is a problem and Corolla may be recalled! > > > "Some Corolla drivers in the U.S. have reported experiencing a loss of > > steering control, typically occurring at higher speeds. > > The witch-hunt continues... > > There's no problem with the steering other than a "feel" that people aren't > used to. > > Odd how nobody complained about the EPS that was available on the MR2 for > years; the new Corolla's system is similar to that. > > -- > Tegger I've always speculated it was just something that needed to be reprogrammed. It's not a safety issue per say.. It just aggravates people when they are on the highway. Myself, I think most of the problem is there is likely too much assist at highway speeds, and it needs to be toned down a bit. On a normal variable assist steering, there should be a good amount of assist at slow speeds, but very little if any at highway speeds. At speed, you want to mimic the feel of a non assisted rack and pinion. I've always felt they must be running too much assist at speed if it feels squirrely assuming the alignment is right. It's nothing that is dangerous. It's not like the steering is going to unhook and let you smash a guard rail.. :/ Good grief.... |