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From: Michael Ejercito on 20 Jul 2010 21:11 On Jul 20, 9:25 am, Lookout <mrLook...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 08:47:01 -0700 (PDT), Michael Ejercito > > > > <mejer...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >On Jul 20, 4:24 am, Lookout <mrLook...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >> On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 23:09:19 -0500, Liberal Hypocrite Detector > >> >Um, no. > > >> >http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/history/q0185.shtml > >> >George W. Bush's military service began in 1968 when he enlisted in the > >> >Texas Air National Guard after graduating with a bachelor's degree in > >> >history from Yale University. The aircraft he was ultimately trained to fly > >> >was the F-102 Delta Dagger, popularly known as "the Deuce." The F-102 may > >> >have been old but was far from useless, and it continued to serve in large > >> >numbers with both Air Force and Air National Guard units well into the > >> >1970s. Furthermore, the F-102 was deployed to Vietnam throughout most of > >> >the conflict, and the aircraft proved its value early by deterring North > >> >Vietnamese pilots from crossing the border to attack the South. Perhaps > >> >more importantly, the F-102 and its Air National Guard pilots performed a > >> >vital role in defending the continental United States from nuclear attack. > > >> >http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/f-102a-ops.htm > >> >Four F-102s were sent from Clark AB, P. I., to South Vietnam in March 1962, > >> >after radars had detected low flying, unidentified aircraft along the > >> >Cambodian border. This started a series of rotations every 6 weeks by Navy > >> >EA-1F all weather fighters and USAF F-102s to Tan Son Nhut. The rotation > >> >ended in May 1963 due to base overcrowding. Nonetheless, from the summer of > >> >1963 to mid 1964, Thirteenth Air Force conducted no-notice deployments of > >> >F-102s to South Vietnam and brief training flights to Tan Son Nhut and Da > >> >Nang. The small number of aircraft committed to SEA air defense before > >> >1965 tripled by the end of 1966. At that time 12 F-102s stood alert in > >> >South Vietnam (6 at Bien Hoa and 6 at Da Nang) and another 10 in Thailand > >> >(6 at Udorn and 4 at Don Muang). Little change occurred in 1967 and 1968, > >> >the Air Force keeping a minimum of 14 F-102s on 5 minute alert with the > >> >remainder of the force on 1 hour call. F-102 operations in SEA ended in > >> >December 1969 (The last F-102 squadron at Clark was inactivated. However, a > >> >few F-102s remained at the Royal Thai Air Base of Don Muang until the > >> >summer of 1970.) with a remarkable safety record. In almost 10 years of > >> >flying air defense and a few combat air patrols for SAC B-52s, just 15 F- > >> >102s were lost. > > >> His unit was at 100% when he was allowed to join. That's been > >> documented repeatedly. > > Documented repeatedly by WHOM? > > During the election. The 1968 election? > > > > >> There were NO NEW F-102 units be sent to Viet Nam WHEN HE JOINED. > >> Therefore HE COULD NOT GO and his daddy knew that. The only one flying > >> them were AD Air Force. > > > And there was some sort of guarantee that it would not change in > >the future? > > Yes. It was OBSOLETE for combat in View Nam. And when was it declared obsolete? Michael
From: Gray Ghost on 20 Jul 2010 21:19 Michael Ejercito <mejercit(a)hotmail.com> wrote in news:f9397b30-34f0-4b9c- b92a-fc4c2da48972(a)k8g2000prh.googlegroups.com: > On Jul 20, 9:25�am, Lookout <mrLook...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 08:47:01 -0700 (PDT), Michael Ejercito >> >> >> >> <mejer...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >On Jul 20, 4:24�am, Lookout <mrLook...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 23:09:19 -0500, Liberal Hypocrite Detector >> >> >Um, no. >> >> >> >http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/history/q0185.shtml >> >> >George W. Bush's military service began in 1968 when he enlisted in t > he >> >> >Texas Air National Guard after graduating with a bachelor's degree in >> >> >history from Yale University. The aircraft he was ultimately trained > to fly >> >> >was the F-102 Delta Dagger, popularly known as "the Deuce." The F- 102 > may >> >> >have been old but was far from useless, and it continued to serve in > large >> >> >numbers with both Air Force and Air National Guard units well into th > e >> >> >1970s. Furthermore, the F-102 was deployed to Vietnam throughout most > of >> >> >the conflict, and the aircraft proved its value early by deterring No > rth >> >> >Vietnamese pilots from crossing the border to attack the South. Perha > ps >> >> >more importantly, the F-102 and its Air National Guard pilots perform > ed a >> >> >vital role in defending the continental United States from nuclear at > tack. >> >> >> >http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/f-102a- ops.ht > m >> >> >Four F-102s were sent from Clark AB, P. I., to South Vietnam in March > 1962, >> >> >after radars had detected low flying, unidentified aircraft along the >> >> >Cambodian border. This started a series of rotations every 6 weeks by > Navy � >> >> >EA-1F all weather fighters and USAF F-102s to Tan Son Nhut. The rotat > ion >> >> >ended in May 1963 due to base overcrowding. Nonetheless, from the sum > mer of >> >> >1963 to mid 1964, Thirteenth Air Force conducted no-notice deployment > s of >> >> >F-102s to South Vietnam and brief training flights to Tan Son Nhut an > d Da >> >> >Nang. The small number of aircraft �committed to SEA air defense be > fore >> >> >1965 tripled by the end of 1966. At that time 12 F-102s stood alert i > n >> >> >South Vietnam (6 at Bien Hoa and 6 at Da Nang) and another 10 in Thai > land >> >> >(6 at Udorn and 4 at Don Muang). Little change occurred in 1967 and 1 > 968, >> >> >the Air Force keeping a minimum of 14 F-102s on 5 minute alert with t > he >> >> >remainder of the force on 1 hour call. F-102 operations �in SEA end > ed in >> >> >December 1969 (The last F-102 squadron at Clark was inactivated. Howe > ver, a >> >> >few F-102s remained at the Royal Thai Air Base of Don Muang until the >> >> >summer of 1970.) with a remarkable safety record. In almost 10 years > of >> >> >flying air defense and a few combat air patrols for SAC B-52s, just 1 > 5 F- >> >> >102s were lost. >> >> >> His unit was at 100% when he was allowed to join. That's been >> >> documented repeatedly. >> > � Documented repeatedly by WHOM? >> >> During the election. > The 1968 election? > >> >> >> >> >> There were NO NEW F-102 units be sent to Viet Nam WHEN HE JOINED. >> >> Therefore HE COULD NOT GO and his daddy knew that. The only one flying >> >> them were AD Air Force. >> >> > � And there was some sort of guarantee that it would not change in >> >the future? >> >> Yes. It was OBSOLETE for combat in View Nam. > And when was it declared obsolete? > > > Michael > 1976 when it was removed from service. But don't tell him, his head might explode. -- "Laws are made for men of ordinary understanding and should, therefore, be construed by the ordinary rules of common sense. Their meaning is not to be sought for in metaphysical subtleties which may make anything mean everything or nothing at pleasure." �Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Johnson, 1823
From: Lookout on 20 Jul 2010 21:21 On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 18:11:45 -0700 (PDT), Michael Ejercito <mejercit(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >On Jul 20, 9:25�am, Lookout <mrLook...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 08:47:01 -0700 (PDT), Michael Ejercito >> >> >> >> <mejer...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >On Jul 20, 4:24�am, Lookout <mrLook...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 23:09:19 -0500, Liberal Hypocrite Detector >> >> >Um, no. >> >> >> >http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/history/q0185.shtml >> >> >George W. Bush's military service began in 1968 when he enlisted in the >> >> >Texas Air National Guard after graduating with a bachelor's degree in >> >> >history from Yale University. The aircraft he was ultimately trained to fly >> >> >was the F-102 Delta Dagger, popularly known as "the Deuce." The F-102 may >> >> >have been old but was far from useless, and it continued to serve in large >> >> >numbers with both Air Force and Air National Guard units well into the >> >> >1970s. Furthermore, the F-102 was deployed to Vietnam throughout most of >> >> >the conflict, and the aircraft proved its value early by deterring North >> >> >Vietnamese pilots from crossing the border to attack the South. Perhaps >> >> >more importantly, the F-102 and its Air National Guard pilots performed a >> >> >vital role in defending the continental United States from nuclear attack. >> >> >> >http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/f-102a-ops.htm >> >> >Four F-102s were sent from Clark AB, P. I., to South Vietnam in March 1962, >> >> >after radars had detected low flying, unidentified aircraft along the >> >> >Cambodian border. This started a series of rotations every 6 weeks by Navy � >> >> >EA-1F all weather fighters and USAF F-102s to Tan Son Nhut. The rotation >> >> >ended in May 1963 due to base overcrowding. Nonetheless, from the summer of >> >> >1963 to mid 1964, Thirteenth Air Force conducted no-notice deployments of >> >> >F-102s to South Vietnam and brief training flights to Tan Son Nhut and Da >> >> >Nang. The small number of aircraft �committed to SEA air defense before >> >> >1965 tripled by the end of 1966. At that time 12 F-102s stood alert in >> >> >South Vietnam (6 at Bien Hoa and 6 at Da Nang) and another 10 in Thailand >> >> >(6 at Udorn and 4 at Don Muang). Little change occurred in 1967 and 1968, >> >> >the Air Force keeping a minimum of 14 F-102s on 5 minute alert with the >> >> >remainder of the force on 1 hour call. F-102 operations �in SEA ended in >> >> >December 1969 (The last F-102 squadron at Clark was inactivated. However, a >> >> >few F-102s remained at the Royal Thai Air Base of Don Muang until the >> >> >summer of 1970.) with a remarkable safety record. In almost 10 years of >> >> >flying air defense and a few combat air patrols for SAC B-52s, just 15 F- >> >> >102s were lost. >> >> >> His unit was at 100% when he was allowed to join. That's been >> >> documented repeatedly. >> > � Documented repeatedly by WHOM? >> >> During the election. > The 1968 election? > >> >> >> >> >> There were NO NEW F-102 units be sent to Viet Nam WHEN HE JOINED. >> >> Therefore HE COULD NOT GO and his daddy knew that. The only one flying >> >> them were AD Air Force. >> >> > � And there was some sort of guarantee that it would not change in >> >the future? >> >> Yes. It was OBSOLETE for combat in View Nam. > And when was it declared obsolete? The jet wasn't. They stopped sending NG units that flew it BEFORE little georgie joined. His daddy knew that and that's why he ARRANGED for him to join. I'm not going back to look this stuff up. Is was in the papers when bush ran the first time. The thread is now dead. Don't like it? To bad.
From: Tankfixer on 20 Jul 2010 21:52 In article <c6b90a2f-b795-4d0f-9bd3- c7ed56cad83c(a)c36g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, mejercit(a)hotmail.com says... > > On Jul 19, 7:22�pm, Tankfixer <paul.carr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > In article <6s6946dv0hdovta6h17fsvppqbddlfd...(a)4ax.com>, > > mrLook...(a)yahoo.com says... > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 12:14:12 -0500, Liberal Hypocrite Detector > > > <grey_ghost471-newsgro...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > >Lookout <mrLook...(a)yahoo.com> wrote in > > > >news:4ev8465mv0ufra0jg9t6ic27hnrle8j7cb(a)4ax.com: > > > > > >> He avoided serving and then claimed he could have gone. That was a > > > >> lie. > > > > > >Only if avoidance means joining the Texas Air National guard, learning to > > > >fly a Mach plus interceptor and then standing alerts. > > > > > No. Only if it means getting in a unit that was already at 100% > > > capacity...which was ILLEGAL. And getting into a unit that flew jets > > > that were no longer used in Viet Nam SO HE COULDN'T GO. He claimed he > > > wanted to..then why join a unit that can't be deployed? > > > > Feel free to cite the law or regulation that makes it illegal to enlist > > over 100% in a unit. > And who defines the capacity of a unit? The unit MTOE guides the authorized strength. I've enlisted and transfered soldiers into units that were already at their authorized strengths.
From: Tankfixer on 20 Jul 2010 21:53
In article <djjb46tgs1tr04gd7pusuefpqudpluabsh(a)4ax.com>, mrLookout(a)yahoo.com says... > > On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 08:47:48 -0700 (PDT), Michael Ejercito > <mejercit(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > >On Jul 19, 7:22�pm, Tankfixer <paul.carr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> In article <6s6946dv0hdovta6h17fsvppqbddlfd...(a)4ax.com>, > >> mrLook...(a)yahoo.com says... > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 12:14:12 -0500, Liberal Hypocrite Detector > >> > <grey_ghost471-newsgro...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >> > >> > >Lookout <mrLook...(a)yahoo.com> wrote in > >> > >news:4ev8465mv0ufra0jg9t6ic27hnrle8j7cb(a)4ax.com: > >> > >> > >> He avoided serving and then claimed he could have gone. That was a > >> > >> lie. > >> > >> > >Only if avoidance means joining the Texas Air National guard, learning to > >> > >fly a Mach plus interceptor and then standing alerts. > >> > >> > No. Only if it means getting in a unit that was already at 100% > >> > capacity...which was ILLEGAL. And getting into a unit that flew jets > >> > that were no longer used in Viet Nam SO HE COULDN'T GO. He claimed he > >> > wanted to..then why join a unit that can't be deployed? > >> > >> Feel free to cite the law or regulation that makes it illegal to enlist > >> over 100% in a unit. > > And who defines the capacity of a unit? > > You obviously weren't around for the war. Because it was known which > units could and couldn't be deployed many tried to get into units that > couldn't or wouldn't be deployed. Those units were ALWAYS at 100%. It > was watched carefully by anyone of draft age. It was reported > repeatedly that his unit was at 100% and that daddy got him in > anyways. You obviously weren't reading the papers or watching the news > when he was running for president. And you obviously have no regulation nor law that prohibits enlisting over 100% of a units authorized strength. Otherwise you would have addressed the issue as requested instead of dancing around. |