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From: C. E. White on 8 Feb 2010 08:35 "Clive" <Clive(a)yewbank.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:yN03EnXB3KbLFwJ5(a)yewbank.demon.co.uk... > ....whilst both Honda and Toyota regularly come out top in "Which?" > a UK based consumer magazine which doesn't take adverts so it's > totally independant of manufacturers. Just becasue a magazine doesn't take advertsing doesn't mean it is fair and truthful. Where does "Which?" get their data? I look at consumer magazines like this as just a different set of opinions affected by a different set of biases. Ed
From: Clive on 8 Feb 2010 09:32 In message <hkp4g2$g4v$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>, C. E. White <cewhite3(a)mindspring.com> writes >"Clive" <Clive(a)yewbank.demon.co.uk> wrote in message >news:yN03EnXB3KbLFwJ5(a)yewbank.demon.co.uk... >> ....whilst both Honda and Toyota regularly come out top in "Which?" >> a UK based consumer magazine which doesn't take adverts so it's >> totally independant of manufacturers. >Just becasue a magazine doesn't take advertsing doesn't mean it is >fair and truthful. Where does "Which?" get their data? I look at >consumer magazines like this as just a different set of opinions >affected by a different set of biases. "Which?" Is a consumer magazine that does independent tests and where a product is complicated like a car it joins forces with like minded other consumer magazines throughout Europe. They also pole their readership every two years on each car's previous reliability and publish the results. It's a totally different product from the JD Power Survey which we also get over here, who, to be honest I wouldn't trust, any more than I would any other magazine that runs adverts. Last year I was in Florida on Holiday for about three weeks and had a Dodge Avenger 2.4 automatic which I liked very much, but I wouldn't buy one as it only turned in 340 mile each tankful of petrol (I know you gallons are smaller than ours) even so I worked out that it was doing only half the mileage of my own car, a Nissan Almera Diesel 2.2. -- Clive
From: clare on 8 Feb 2010 12:12 On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 14:32:06 +0000, Clive <Clive(a)yewbank.demon.co.uk> wrote: >In message <hkp4g2$g4v$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>, C. E. White ><cewhite3(a)mindspring.com> writes >>"Clive" <Clive(a)yewbank.demon.co.uk> wrote in message >>news:yN03EnXB3KbLFwJ5(a)yewbank.demon.co.uk... >>> ....whilst both Honda and Toyota regularly come out top in "Which?" >>> a UK based consumer magazine which doesn't take adverts so it's >>> totally independant of manufacturers. >>Just becasue a magazine doesn't take advertsing doesn't mean it is >>fair and truthful. Where does "Which?" get their data? I look at >>consumer magazines like this as just a different set of opinions >>affected by a different set of biases. >"Which?" Is a consumer magazine that does independent tests and where a >product is complicated like a car it joins forces with like minded other >consumer magazines throughout Europe. They also pole their readership >every two years on each car's previous reliability and publish the >results. It's a totally different product from the JD Power Survey which >we also get over here, who, to be honest I wouldn't trust, any more than >I would any other magazine that runs adverts. >Last year I was in Florida on Holiday for about three weeks and had a >Dodge Avenger 2.4 automatic which I liked very much, but I wouldn't buy >one as it only turned in 340 mile each tankful of petrol (I know you >gallons are smaller than ours) even so I worked out that it was doing >only half the mileage of my own car, a Nissan Almera Diesel 2.2. Different horses for different courses - you can NOT compare gasoline to diesel. And it's pretty hard to sell a Diesel in America if it weighs less than 3 tons.
From: Clive on 10 Feb 2010 16:57 In message <ea66n5l7ao35vmcthtvv65funobo6judif(a)4ax.com>, me <noemail(a)nothere.com> writes >On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 14:32:06 +0000, Clive <Clive(a)yewbank.demon.co.uk> >wrote: > >>They also pole their readership >>every two years on each car's previous reliability and publish the >>results. It's a totally different product from the JD Power Survey which >>we also get over here, who, to be honest I wouldn't trust, any more than >>I would any other magazine that runs adverts. > >Readers polls (also the favorite of Consumer Reports over here) are >not much better than JD Powers. You need a statistically valid survey >to guage reliability. > >In addition, I don't know about "Which?" but most of these studies >roll up surveyed problems in a way that makes the end product somewhat >useless (i.e. there's a big difference between "the manufacturer found >a software defect that caused knocking and recalled all the cars to >fix it for free" vs "the ECU's have died and the manufacturer fought >tooth and nail against replacing them for free". But, both tend to >roll up under the same "engine electronics - good or bad" category. Toyota accelerator fixes have already begun here in the UK. What would it take for the Merkin "big3" to get of their arses so quick, and our government hasn't even mentioned anything about Toyota. -- Clive
From: Clive on 11 Feb 2010 05:51
In message <k027n5hhtckhovlobqmo2mv1rv4ido2qhe(a)4ax.com>, me <noemail(a)nothere.com> writes >On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 21:57:26 +0000, Clive <Clive(a)yewbank.demon.co.uk> >wrote: >>Toyota accelerator fixes have already begun here in the UK. What would >>it take for the Merkin "big3" to get of their arses so quick, and our >>government hasn't even mentioned anything about Toyota. >Interesting, since they don't appear to have confirmed diagnosis yet, >let alone a fix. Toyota UK obviously feel they have. They have started doing the oldest cars first 2001-2002, and will continue to work through the fleet, the fix takes about 40 minutes and (on TV) looks to involve a small metal plate an inch to an inch and a half square. -- Clive |