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From: Mike Hunter on 4 Feb 2010 09:47 (Cross posting removed, automatically) "dsi1" <dsi1(a)humuhumunukunukuapuapa.org> wrote in message news:vUman.34278$Fm7.2070(a)newsfe16.iad... > On 2/3/2010 12:33 PM, dsi1 wrote: >> On 2/3/2010 2:19 AM, IYM wrote: >>> >>> Just saw the new story about Toyota's beloved Prius having problems with >>> the brakes....Looks like it is limited to Japan right now, but may >>> expand....Never rains, but it pours....Toyota looks like it's getting a >>> bloody nose right now.... >> >> My neighbor had to have the power steering pump replace on her 2 year >> old Camry Hybrid. That's the breaks. Nobody has much experience with >> electrically powered PS pumps or computer controlled engine throttling. >> This is new technology that soon could be standard on all cars. Glitches >> like this are to expected and should we expect rare transient events to >> be easy to diagnose. Whether you are a Toyota fan or not, the truth is >> that Toyota is paying the price for being a consumer technology leader. >> >> Personally, I don't buy that sticking brake pedal business. :-) > > Better make that: > > > Glitches like this are to expected and we should NOT expect rare > > transient events to be easy to diagnose. > > :-)
From: Mike Hunter on 4 Feb 2010 09:47 (Cross posting removed, automatically) "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message news:pan.2010.02.04.01.16.49.470030(a)e86.GTS... > On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 22:34:26 -0700, Ashton Crusher wrote: > >> On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 23:53:38 -0500, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> >> wrote: >> >>>On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 21:05:24 -0700, Ashton Crusher wrote: >>> >>>>>"No matter what Toyota does, they always do it right," Darvish said. >>>>>"They might be a little slow in coming out, but that's because they're >>>>>diligent." >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> If they "always do it right" they would not have this problem. Nor >>>> would they have locks that burn up and trap the people inside and burn >>>> them up too. Or sludged up engines. Or bad head gaskets. >>> >>>How many had bad head gaskets? Besides the 7M series? >>> >>>And that was because the US required the use of non-asbestos head >>>gaskets. >>> >>>I've crawled throuh many cars, and some of the best built are Toyotas. >>> >>>so there. >>> >>> >>> >> It's funny to see the Toyota folks get their panties in a bunch when it's >> revealed that the emperor has no clothes. > > The emperor is dressed fairly well. > > There's a reason I buy "J" VIN Toyota products, and that's because I've > seen some of the 'quality' from NUMMI and the US plants. > > I have had few problems with my Japanese made Toyotas. > I haven't had any problems with my US made ones, because I only buy > Japanese made ones. > > >
From: Mike Hunter on 4 Feb 2010 09:47 (Cross posting removed, automatically) "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message news:pan.2010.02.04.01.27.21.330891(a)e86.GTS... > On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 15:24:22 -0500, clare wrote: > >> On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 21:38:19 -0500, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> >> wrote: >> >>>On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 17:29:46 -0500, C. E. White wrote: >>> >>> >>>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message >>>> news:pan.2010.02.02.04.53.36.737555(a)e86.GTS... >>>> >>>>> I've crawled throuh many cars, and some of the best built are Toyotas. >>>> >>>> And some aren't. >>>> >>>> Ed >>> >>> >>>Right. Generally GM. Nissan, too. Not very well put together. >>> >>>Fords are OK, and I actually like the way Chryslers are built. >>> >>>GMs are the worst. >>> >> My experience too. But you can add Mitsubishi in with Nissan and GM. >> Mazda >> is closer to Ford the last few years, pulling ahead of Nissan and GM. >> Honda is somewhere in around Chrysler/Toyota > > I have > '89 Mazda 626 > '05 Scion tC > '89 Soob GL coupe > '88 Supra > '97 Soob Legacy wagon > '92 Dodge Grand Caravan > '85 Corolla GTS > > The Supra and the GTS are really well screwed together. > The Mazda and the '89 Soob are fairly well made and easy to work on. Never > did a timing belt before, and replacing the TWO on the Soob was child's > play. > The Scion is about like any modern car, light materials and quick > assembly. > The Caravan is made like all Caravans, pretty well. > > Also in my stable were a '90 240SX. UGH! Held together with SHEET METAL > SCREWS!!!! I thought since the car had been through the mill it was a slap > together job by the seller, but when I went to get parts out of another > one, SHEET METAL SCREWS!!! > > Chevys? UGH! We're not talking you Father's Chevrolet here. > Fords are OK, better made than Chevy's > My '94 LHS was a fairly bullet-proof car, but repairs were NOT easy. > > GMs are made to please the shareholders, not the customers. That said, we > had a Buick on the lot Park Avanue) that was a very nice running car. I > was going to buy it but someone gave me the LHS, and I bought a Tercel > instead. Even the lowly Tercel was a very well made car. > > We also had an 85 Cutlass on the lot. The guy who owned it wanted his wife > an kid in a newer car. It was also a very well running vehicle with > 225,000 miles on it, but it had also had a new starter, alternator, AC > compressor, etc installed within the prior year. But it was a decent car. > I sold it to some people looking for a good, reliable car, and saw the > darn thing running 3 years later. > > Must have been made on a Wednesday... > > >
From: Clive on 5 Feb 2010 18:46 In message <gmmjm5dvq4h0uv026p7dp49eofj85fb17m(a)4ax.com>, clare(a)snyder.on.ca writes >My experience too. But you can add Mitsubishi in with Nissan and GM. >Mazda is closer to Ford the last few years, pulling ahead of Nissan >and GM. Honda is somewhere in around Chrysler/Toyota Mitsubishi for years sold cars with defective brakes, even the board of directors knew about it, eventually they all were put on trial. Nissan is owned/shared with Renault a company that regularly under-performs in the reliability stakes, luckily my Nissan predates the tie up. Mazda is a ford and if you look hard enough you'll see all the Ford parts but Mazda names. Chrysler is in a league of it's own in unreliability, whilst both Honda and Toyota regularly come out top in "Which?" a UK based consumer magazine which doesn't take adverts so it's totally independant of manufacturers. -- Clive
From: clare on 5 Feb 2010 21:26
On Fri, 05 Feb 2010 18:23:10 -0600, dbu'' <nospam(a)nobama.com.invalid> wrote: >In article <yN03EnXB3KbLFwJ5(a)yewbank.demon.co.uk>, > Clive <Clive(a)yewbank.demon.co.uk> wrote: > >> In message <gmmjm5dvq4h0uv026p7dp49eofj85fb17m(a)4ax.com>, >> clare(a)snyder.on.ca writes >> >My experience too. But you can add Mitsubishi in with Nissan and GM. >> >Mazda is closer to Ford the last few years, pulling ahead of Nissan >> >and GM. Honda is somewhere in around Chrysler/Toyota >> Mitsubishi for years sold cars with defective brakes, even the board of >> directors knew about it, eventually they all were put on trial. Nissan >> is owned/shared with Renault a company that regularly under-performs in >> the reliability stakes, luckily my Nissan predates the tie up. Mazda >> is a ford and if you look hard enough you'll see all the Ford parts but >> Mazda names. Chrysler is in a league of it's own in unreliability, >> whilst both Honda and Toyota regularly come out top in "Which?" a UK >> based consumer magazine which doesn't take adverts so it's totally >> independant of manufacturers. > >Soon, maybe, car companies will either refuse to sell or will require >large insurance to cover such incidences, premiums passed down to >consumers, of course. OR, a waver signed by the consumer, doubtful >because these instruments do not hold up well in civil courts. Just >forget it. We'll all be paying more $$$ for just a few incidences. > >Hope you like walking, taking a bus or riding the bike. Cheers. Try buying a Cessna lately???? |