Summary of Toyotas Recalled for Accelerator Related Problems
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From: Jeff Strickland on 6 Feb 2010 19:09 "Tegger" <invalid(a)invalid.inv> wrote in message news:Xns9D17BFB1BE0A8tegger(a)208.90.168.18... > "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrjeff(a)yahoo.com> wrote in > news:hkkupu$3im$1(a)news.eternal-september.org: > >> There was at least one previous >> customer that reported the car as taking off on it's own. > > > Can you tell me where you got this from? I'd like to read it. > > http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2009/dec/04/report-loaner-car-in-fatal-crash-had-earlier/ The driver blames the mats ... He said the car continued to accelerate onto the freeway after he had removed his foot from the pedal. He said that the car would not turn off, but after shifting to N and pulling off the road, discovered the pedal was being held down. He reported the trouble to the dealership, but the report was apparently not sent to the proper department. I don't know what it takes to turn this car off, and by all accounts the fatal driver couldn't figure it out either. So much for a fail-safe design.
From: Tegger on 8 Feb 2010 09:08 "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrjeff(a)yahoo.com> wrote in news:hkl0b7$b60$1(a)news.eternal-september.org: > > "Tegger" <invalid(a)invalid.inv> wrote in message > news:Xns9D17BFB1BE0A8tegger(a)208.90.168.18... >> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrjeff(a)yahoo.com> wrote in >> news:hkkupu$3im$1(a)news.eternal-september.org: >> >>> There was at least one previous >>> customer that reported the car as taking off on it's own. >> >> >> Can you tell me where you got this from? I'd like to read it. >> >> > > > > http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2009/dec/04/report-loaner-car-in- > fatal-crash-had-earlier/ > > The driver blames the mats ... The driver blames the mats. The NHTSA blames the mats. I think we have some unanimity here. The SD newspaper article says this: "After several failed attempts at turning off the engine, he realized the floor mat had jammed the gas pedal. "He slid his foot under the accelerator, dislodged it and had no further problems, the report says." You seem to be offering this article as evidence that there's more to the cop's crash than floor mats, but the article abundantly confirms what the NHTSA investigators found: that there was NOTHING wrong with the car EXCEPT the mats. And the mats were the dealer's foulup, not Toyota's. > > He said the car continued to accelerate onto the freeway after he had > removed his foot from the pedal. He said that the car would not turn > off, He too probably didn't hold the button long enough. > but after shifting to N and pulling off the road, discovered the > pedal was being held down. He reported the trouble to the dealership, > but the report was apparently not sent to the proper department. > > I don't know what it takes to turn this car off, Three seconds hold on the Start button. > and by all accounts > the fatal driver couldn't figure it out either. So much for a > fail-safe design. > The "failsafe" only kicks in if there is a MALFUNCTION with the pedal or its circuitry. There was NO pedal malfunction in this case, therefore no reason for the "failsafe" to activate. This is not a perfect world. Danger lurks everywhere. That's why you're your own last line of defense and need to take responsibility for your own life. Had the cop taken the logical step (as I do) of making sure he knew how to operate and shut down the unfamiliar car, he would be alive today. In short, the cop's death was his own fault, regardless of the dealership's negligence. -- Tegger
From: Ed White on 8 Feb 2010 15:52 On Feb 5, 9:19 pm, Tegger <inva...(a)invalid.inv> wrote: > And, you Pennsylvania hillbilly, you STILL have refused > (three times so far) to answer my question about the 28% of > SUA incidents involving Fords. You're as bad as the environuts > for avoiding difficult questions. I am the last person to defend Mike, but I have to wonder where you are getting that 28% number? I looked throught the NHTSA database today and there are hundreds (thousands porbably) of reports of problems with Toyotas related to throttle control (sticking pedals, slow to return pedals, unintended accleration, etc). I did the same thing for Ford, and while it is easy to find some complaints, the number I saw are nowhere near the numbers reported for Toyotas. But even if Ford has a number of complaints detailing unintended accleration (and honestly almost every manufacturer has some complaints), how does that excuse Toyota? You (and others) constantly harp on Toyota's superior quality. I can't see how trashing Ford proves Toyota makes quality cars. Maybe you can explain. Ed
From: Tegger on 8 Feb 2010 20:21 Ed White <ce.white3(a)gmail.com> wrote in news:d4d847c6-08ff-4a4a-b6f7-cf3e3d9c09df(a)b10g2000vbh.googlegroups.com: > On Feb 5, 9:19 pm, Tegger <inva...(a)invalid.inv> wrote: > >> And, you Pennsylvania hillbilly, you STILL have refused >> (three times so far) to answer my question about the 28% of >> SUA incidents involving Fords. You're as bad as the environuts >> for avoiding difficult questions. > > I am the last person to defend Mike, but I have to wonder where you > are getting that 28% number? I read it in the newspaper. But I've also just now found an online refernce: <http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/02/05/sudden.acceleration.fact.check/index.html> > I looked throught the NHTSA database > today and there are hundreds (thousands porbably) of reports of > problems with Toyotas related to throttle control (sticking pedals, > slow to return pedals, unintended accleration, etc). I did the same > thing for Ford, and while it is easy to find some complaints, the > number I saw are nowhere near the numbers reported for Toyotas. Remember that these are all /allegations/. Audi was almost driven out of business by allegations. Allegations are just that until proven, which none of these are. > > But even if Ford has a number of complaints detailing unintended > accleration (and honestly almost every manufacturer has some > complaints), how does that excuse Toyota? It doesn't. It DOES point out the hypooscrisy of dumping solely on Toyota when Ford is way up there too. > You (and others) constantly > harp on Toyota's superior quality. No I don't. I harp on hypocrisy, political cunning, and blinkered vision. -- Tegger
From: Mike Hunter on 9 Feb 2010 10:08
(Cross posting deleted, automatically) His comment was just one more YABUT excuse to deflect from the fact Toyota has been ordered to recall 5.4 MILLION unsafe vehicles all around the world. LOL "Tegger" <invalid(a)invalid.inv> wrote in message news:Xns9D19CF1C99E7tegger(a)208.90.168.18... > Ed White <ce.white3(a)gmail.com> wrote in > news:d4d847c6-08ff-4a4a-b6f7-cf3e3d9c09df(a)b10g2000vbh.googlegroups.com: > >> On Feb 5, 9:19 pm, Tegger <inva...(a)invalid.inv> wrote: >> >>> And, you Pennsylvania hillbilly, you STILL have refused >>> (three times so far) to answer my question about the 28% of >>> SUA incidents involving Fords. You're as bad as the environuts >>> for avoiding difficult questions. >> >> I am the last person to defend Mike, but I have to wonder where you >> are getting that 28% number? > > > > I read it in the newspaper. > > But I've also just now found an online refernce: > <http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/02/05/sudden.acceleration.fact.check/index.html> > > > >> I looked throught the NHTSA database >> today and there are hundreds (thousands porbably) of reports of >> problems with Toyotas related to throttle control (sticking pedals, >> slow to return pedals, unintended accleration, etc). I did the same >> thing for Ford, and while it is easy to find some complaints, the >> number I saw are nowhere near the numbers reported for Toyotas. > > > > Remember that these are all /allegations/. Audi was almost driven > out of business by allegations. > > Allegations are just that until proven, which none of these are. > > >> >> But even if Ford has a number of complaints detailing unintended >> accleration (and honestly almost every manufacturer has some >> complaints), how does that excuse Toyota? > > > > It doesn't. It DOES point out the hypooscrisy of dumping solely > on Toyota when Ford is way up there too. > > > >> You (and others) constantly >> harp on Toyota's superior quality. > > > > No I don't. I harp on hypocrisy, political cunning, and > blinkered vision. > > > > -- > Tegger > |