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From: Jeff Strickland on 30 Dec 2009 12:04 "Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2(a)lycos,com> wrote in message news:4b3a330a$0$25296$ce5e7886(a)news-radius.ptd.net... > Vehicles have had that capability at least since 2000. Eventually, where > there are enough of the newer vehicles on the road, there will roadside > sensors much like they currently have for trucks at weigh stations where > they need not stop, to determine if your vehicle is polluting and you will > no longer have required emission inspections. The information is only > recorded for around eight to ten seconds. Read you owners manual, that > information is in there. > > If you dive by and the sensor picks up your car as a polluter, you will be > sent an order to have your vehicle inspected and repaired within thirty > days. If you do not you will be required to send in you license plate > until you have the problem corrected. > > That's a highway-based system. They don't care that the MIL is on or not, they can look at the exhaust of all passing cars and trucks, and if the emissions are too high, they take a photo -- sort of like the Red Light Camera systems that are in use. Not to put too fine of a point on this, if the car was going to place a call to rat you out for not reacting to the MIL, then they would have to put a variant of OnStar on every car built, and retrofit earlier cars. The bottom line is, every car on the road would require a cellphone number and a GPS. That's alot of cellphone numbers.
From: Ray O on 30 Dec 2009 13:27 "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrjeff(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:hhg178$fe3$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > > "Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2(a)lycos,com> wrote in message > news:4b3a330a$0$25296$ce5e7886(a)news-radius.ptd.net... >> Vehicles have had that capability at least since 2000. Eventually, >> where there are enough of the newer vehicles on the road, there will >> roadside sensors much like they currently have for trucks at weigh >> stations where they need not stop, to determine if your vehicle is >> polluting and you will no longer have required emission inspections. >> The information is only recorded for around eight to ten seconds. Read >> you owners manual, that information is in there. >> >> If you dive by and the sensor picks up your car as a polluter, you will >> be sent an order to have your vehicle inspected and repaired within >> thirty days. If you do not you will be required to send in you license >> plate until you have the problem corrected. >> >> > > That's a highway-based system. They don't care that the MIL is on or not, > they can look at the exhaust of all passing cars and trucks, and if the > emissions are too high, they take a photo -- sort of like the Red Light > Camera systems that are in use. > > Not to put too fine of a point on this, if the car was going to place a > call to rat you out for not reacting to the MIL, then they would have to > put a variant of OnStar on every car built, and retrofit earlier cars. The > bottom line is, every car on the road would require a cellphone number and > a GPS. That's alot of cellphone numbers. > The communication could also be done with something like wi-fi or the system in EZ Pass automated toll collection systems. The notification wouldn't be instant, but it would be sent when the vehicle drives near the hot spot. This type of system wouldn't use up phone numbers although Big Brother would have to set up hot spots at various places like gas stations where vehicles have to eventually pass by. I'm not sure that even this type of system would provide an ROI that justified the huge cost of the infrastructure in addition to any additional cost to vehicle owners. -- Ray O (correct punctuation to reply)
From: Jeff Strickland on 31 Dec 2009 12:53 "Ray O" <rokigawa(a)NOSPAMtristarassociates.com> wrote in message news:hhg62f$qe7$3(a)news.eternal-september.org... > > "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrjeff(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:hhg178$fe3$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >> >> "Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2(a)lycos,com> wrote in message >> news:4b3a330a$0$25296$ce5e7886(a)news-radius.ptd.net... >>> Vehicles have had that capability at least since 2000. Eventually, >>> where there are enough of the newer vehicles on the road, there will >>> roadside sensors much like they currently have for trucks at weigh >>> stations where they need not stop, to determine if your vehicle is >>> polluting and you will no longer have required emission inspections. The >>> information is only recorded for around eight to ten seconds. Read you >>> owners manual, that information is in there. >>> >>> If you dive by and the sensor picks up your car as a polluter, you will >>> be sent an order to have your vehicle inspected and repaired within >>> thirty days. If you do not you will be required to send in you license >>> plate until you have the problem corrected. >>> >>> >> >> That's a highway-based system. They don't care that the MIL is on or not, >> they can look at the exhaust of all passing cars and trucks, and if the >> emissions are too high, they take a photo -- sort of like the Red Light >> Camera systems that are in use. >> >> Not to put too fine of a point on this, if the car was going to place a >> call to rat you out for not reacting to the MIL, then they would have to >> put a variant of OnStar on every car built, and retrofit earlier cars. >> The bottom line is, every car on the road would require a cellphone >> number and a GPS. That's alot of cellphone numbers. >> > > The communication could also be done with something like wi-fi or the > system in EZ Pass automated toll collection systems. The notification > wouldn't be instant, but it would be sent when the vehicle drives near the > hot spot. This type of system wouldn't use up phone numbers although Big > Brother would have to set up hot spots at various places like gas stations > where vehicles have to eventually pass by. > > I'm not sure that even this type of system would provide an ROI that > justified the huge cost of the infrastructure in addition to any > additional cost to vehicle owners. > -- > Yeah, I got to thinking about that as soon as I hit Send. We have some sort of transmitter on the water meter at our house, and the water company truck drives past with a receiver that collects the signal. the same technology could be used in reverse -- the water meter could drive past the water company truck that collects the signal. That would not take a cellular hookup to gather the data. They would need to install the receivers all over the place though. I think the idea has lots of problems though, starting with Big Brother is Watching. They are getting ready to watch everybody on the assumption that somebody is doing something wrong and must be stopped. Follow that up with the fact that they send out a notice of fault that is in error, and there is no way to dispute the error with the fault-finding authority. You will be required to have your car tested, for a fee, to clear the summons. There is no means to confront the accuser. Guilty until cleared, and the guilty party has the burden to prove innocense instead of the charging party proving guilt. So, at least two huge problems, they are going to watch because you WILL slip up and they want to catch you, and they can charge you with a violation that you can't refute. And, they already deny license tag renewals until you pass the Smog Test, so there is little to no benefit to anybody if they install the Big Brother system of watching everybody all of the time in hopes of catching somebody driving around in a broken car. What is the percentage of cars that go around with the MIL turned on and the driver ignores it for longer than it takes to get to the shop? And, of those, what is the percentage of their contribution to whatever filth their car adds to the filth of all of the other cars? I'd like to see car makers be forced to provide consumers with the same kinds of diagnostic information they have available. I disagree with the automakers assertion that the diagnostic information is theirs. They sold me the car, that makes the diagnostics mine. I own the car and I own the data it produces. I should have the same access to that data as they have, and I should have it at a reasonable cost. All of the fault codes that can be gathered from a car should be available to anybody and everybody.
From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 31 Dec 2009 14:01 On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 11:52:28 -0500, Mike Hunter wrote: > > Vehicles have had that capability at least since 2000. Actually, earlier. But with the price of components able to stand the rigors of automotive use being so high, they kept some functions to the low end, in that the computer could only store about a half hour's worth of information. Now that components can be made ruggedly for a lower cost, they can store much more information. I don't know about now, but I can see a day when the ECU is tied in with the GPS, etc and be able to give all kinds of information just by plugging in. Of course, you can always pull the plug. The operating parameters are stored in NVRAM and are written into the firmware. At least on older models, you can clear the RAM by pulling the plug, as has been suggested here many times when a car is acting a bit "funny", since resetting the RAM sets everything back to Factory.
From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 31 Dec 2009 14:03
On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 12:27:15 -0600, Ray O wrote: > > "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrjeff(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:hhg178$fe3$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >> >> "Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2(a)lycos,com> wrote in message >> news:4b3a330a$0$25296$ce5e7886(a)news-radius.ptd.net... >>> Vehicles have had that capability at least since 2000. Eventually, >>> where there are enough of the newer vehicles on the road, there will >>> roadside sensors much like they currently have for trucks at weigh >>> stations where they need not stop, to determine if your vehicle is >>> polluting and you will no longer have required emission inspections. >>> The information is only recorded for around eight to ten seconds. Read >>> you owners manual, that information is in there. >>> >>> If you dive by and the sensor picks up your car as a polluter, you will >>> be sent an order to have your vehicle inspected and repaired within >>> thirty days. If you do not you will be required to send in you license >>> plate until you have the problem corrected. >>> >>> >> >> That's a highway-based system. They don't care that the MIL is on or not, >> they can look at the exhaust of all passing cars and trucks, and if the >> emissions are too high, they take a photo -- sort of like the Red Light >> Camera systems that are in use. >> >> Not to put too fine of a point on this, if the car was going to place a >> call to rat you out for not reacting to the MIL, then they would have to >> put a variant of OnStar on every car built, and retrofit earlier cars. The >> bottom line is, every car on the road would require a cellphone number and >> a GPS. That's alot of cellphone numbers. >> > > The communication could also be done with something like wi-fi or the system > in EZ Pass automated toll collection systems. The notification wouldn't be > instant, but it would be sent when the vehicle drives near the hot spot. > This type of system wouldn't use up phone numbers although Big Brother would > have to set up hot spots at various places like gas stations where vehicles > have to eventually pass by. > > I'm not sure that even this type of system would provide an ROI that > justified the huge cost of the infrastructure in addition to any additional > cost to vehicle owners. STOP GIVING THEM IDEAS!!! Glad you work in RE now!!! ;) |