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From: C. E. White on 11 Mar 2010 08:05

"iluv my kitties and family" <NOSPAMb(a)cox.net> wrote in message
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>
>
> And after watching KTLA news in LA over the dish with the Prius
> doing over 90mph last night there is no way in hell I would get
> behind any newer Toyota!! It took a cop car to get in front of him
> and slow down!!

Actually, the Prius slowed down by itself. The cop car was moved into
position after the car was stopped. The news media made it sound as if
the cop car pulled in front of the Prius while it was still moving and
helped stop it, but this is not what the cop actually said.

Ed


From: jim beam on 11 Mar 2010 09:25
On 03/11/2010 05:02 AM, C. E. White wrote:
> "Canuck57"<Canuck57(a)nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:iTDln.33771$Dv7.6381(a)newsfe17.iad...
>
>> I doubt there is any "pro-Toyota" in DC, anything it takes to make
>> the GM turkey fly is the current motto.
>
> I don't think that is true at all. I think there are many members of
> Congress who are sympathetic towards Toyota. Car dealers have always
> been major political contributors, and there are a lot of very
> successful Toyota dealers. Toyota has encouraged the dealers to
> contact their members of Congress. There were many Toyota dealers in
> the audience at the hearings. At the corporate level Toyota is a major
> political contributor. Senators and Representatives from Indiana,
> Kentucky, Mississippi and Texas have all shown strong support for
> Toyota. Toyota has a dedicated lobbying group in Washington. And while
> Democratic supporters of the Obama administrations efforts to bail out
> GM might have reason to want to see Toyota stumble, don't you think
> there are almost as many people on the other side who don't because of
> their hatred of Obama?
>
>
>
> http://www.nbc-2.com/Global/story.asp?S=12036247
> http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=123838790&ps=rs
> http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/RunawayToyotas/revolving-door-us-safety-agency-toyota-representative/story?id=9747342
> http://www.japantoday.com/category/business/view/worried-toyota-dealers-in-us-adding-own-voice-to-pr-push
> http://www.journalgazette.net/article/20100211/NEWS07/302119966
> http://news.medill.northwestern.edu/390/news.aspx?id=157854
> http://www.marketwatch.com/story/us-workers-rally-for-japans-toyota-2010-02-24
>
> Apparently Toyota shares your view:
>
> http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0210/33248.html
>
> While I agree the congressional hearing were a joke, I do think there
> is a concerted effort from the Toyota PR machine to promote the idea
> that the current furor over runaway Toyota is smear campaign
> orchestrated by the Obama administration. I can see why Toyota minions
> like this approach - it deflects attention away from the actual
> concerns and blames the whole sorry spectacle on a very unpopular
> congress and a somewhat unpopular administration. Promoting the idea
> that the Toyota investigations are some sort of Obama inspired plot to
> prop up General Motors guarantees that all the right wing wacko will
> come out of the woodwork and pile on, further obscuring the truth.
>
>
>
> There is a concern that needs to be investigated. I don't think the
> Congressional hearings, as conducted, were necessary or useful. NHTSA
> has the responsibility for insuring the safety of motor vehicles. It
> appears to me in this case they did not do the job properly. If
> anything should have been investigated, it was NHTSA failure to do its
> job. Instead, NHTSA was treated with kid gloves by both sides of the
> aisle during the Congressional hearings.
>
>
> Ed
>
>

that's an impressive number of "talking points" you have there ed. but
it's not surprising given that smear and astroturf is your full time
paid job.

--
nomina rutrum rutrum
From: Ed White on 11 Mar 2010 18:02
On Mar 11, 9:25 am, jim beam <m...(a)privacy.net> wrote:

> nomina rutrum rutrum

alio tentatio es a pallens alio permaneo obstinatus
From: Canuck57 on 11 Mar 2010 20:07
On 11/03/2010 6:02 AM, C. E. White wrote:
> "Canuck57"<Canuck57(a)nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:iTDln.33771$Dv7.6381(a)newsfe17.iad...
>
>> I doubt there is any "pro-Toyota" in DC, anything it takes to make
>> the GM turkey fly is the current motto.
>
> I don't think that is true at all. I think there are many members of
> Congress who are sympathetic towards Toyota. Car dealers have always
> been major political contributors, and there are a lot of very
> successful Toyota dealers. Toyota has encouraged the dealers to
> contact their members of Congress. There were many Toyota dealers in
> the audience at the hearings. At the corporate level Toyota is a major
> political contributor. Senators and Representatives from Indiana,
> Kentucky, Mississippi and Texas have all shown strong support for
> Toyota. Toyota has a dedicated lobbying group in Washington. And while
> Democratic supporters of the Obama administrations efforts to bail out
> GM might have reason to want to see Toyota stumble, don't you think
> there are almost as many people on the other side who don't because of
> their hatred of Obama?

Probably some truth in both. But GM-NHTSA records clearly show Toyota
isn't as bad at such things as say GM or Chrylser, which suffer a
"qulity" image issue with consumers as well.

Then one has to ask how come all of a sudden it is a issue with Toyota?
Serously? Did NHTSA cook the their own numbers? Or are they sucuming
to the great which hunt? Or were they bribed?

Like Obama to explain that please. And no BS slippery talk, straight up.

> http://www.nbc-2.com/Global/story.asp?S=12036247
> http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=123838790&ps=rs
> http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/RunawayToyotas/revolving-door-us-safety-agency-toyota-representative/story?id=9747342
> http://www.japantoday.com/category/business/view/worried-toyota-dealers-in-us-adding-own-voice-to-pr-push
> http://www.journalgazette.net/article/20100211/NEWS07/302119966
> http://news.medill.northwestern.edu/390/news.aspx?id=157854
> http://www.marketwatch.com/story/us-workers-rally-for-japans-toyota-2010-02-24
>
> Apparently Toyota shares your view:
>
> http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0210/33248.html

Democrats are running scared like bunnies for November 2010 has
something in store for Obama and the democrats. I think washout might
be in order. Many a senior democrats, otherwise unemployable will join
the 10's of millions who have seen unemployment.

> While I agree the congressional hearing were a joke, I do think there
> is a concerted effort from the Toyota PR machine to promote the idea
> that the current furor over runaway Toyota is smear campaign
> orchestrated by the Obama administration. I can see why Toyota minions
> like this approach - it deflects attention away from the actual
> concerns and blames the whole sorry spectacle on a very unpopular
> congress and a somewhat unpopular administration. Promoting the idea
> that the Toyota investigations are some sort of Obama inspired plot to
> prop up General Motors guarantees that all the right wing wacko will
> come out of the woodwork and pile on, further obscuring the truth.

It is deception. Get people focused on a perceived sacraficial enemy.
Cars crash every day, a broken Chrysler transmission, Ford wheel falling
off, a GM drops out of gear unexpectedly in bumber to bumper rush hour...

Takes the focus off of governemnt corruption, bailout spending, the
stench of billionaires with money on depsit at Citi and others. Yep,
focus the anger elsewhere.

Just apony show for the naive. As the debt, economy, and corruption are
more important.

> There is a concern that needs to be investigated. I don't think the
> Congressional hearings, as conducted, were necessary or useful. NHTSA
> has the responsibility for insuring the safety of motor vehicles. It
> appears to me in this case they did not do the job properly. If
> anything should have been investigated, it was NHTSA failure to do its
> job. Instead, NHTSA was treated with kid gloves by both sides of the
> aisle during the Congressional hearings.

Probably trying to figure out what failing aprts are not shared with GM,
like the gas peddle mechanical.

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From: C. E. White on 12 Mar 2010 17:30

"Canuck57" <Canuck57(a)nospam.com> wrote in message
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> On 11/03/2010 6:02 AM, C. E. White wrote:
>> "Canuck57"<Canuck57(a)nospam.com> wrote in message
>> news:iTDln.33771$Dv7.6381(a)newsfe17.iad...
>>
>>> I doubt there is any "pro-Toyota" in DC, anything it takes to make
>>> the GM turkey fly is the current motto.
>>
>> I don't think that is true at all. I think there are many members of
>> Congress who are sympathetic towards Toyota. Car dealers have always
>> been major political contributors, and there are a lot of very
>> successful Toyota dealers. Toyota has encouraged the dealers to
>> contact their members of Congress. There were many Toyota dealers in
>> the audience at the hearings. At the corporate level Toyota is a major
>> political contributor. Senators and Representatives from Indiana,
>> Kentucky, Mississippi and Texas have all shown strong support for
>> Toyota. Toyota has a dedicated lobbying group in Washington. And while
>> Democratic supporters of the Obama administrations efforts to bail out
>> GM might have reason to want to see Toyota stumble, don't you think
>> there are almost as many people on the other side who don't because of
>> their hatred of Obama?
>
> Probably some truth in both. But GM-NHTSA records clearly show Toyota
> isn't as bad at such things as say GM or Chrylser, which suffer a "qulity"
> image issue with consumers as well.
>
> Then one has to ask how come all of a sudden it is a issue with Toyota?

In my opinion the media coverage of the Lexus that ran away in
California.got the ball got rolling. I am sure there are multiple groups
that had an interest in promoting the story (trial lawyers, labor unions,
certain politicians, etc.). I feel Congress got involved becasue it was an
oppurtunity to divert attention from the more pressing problems that
Congress has bungled.

> Serously? Did NHTSA cook the their own numbers? Or are they sucuming to
> the great which hunt? Or were they bribed?

I am not sure what you mean when you ask if NHTSA cooked their own numbers.
There were a lot of complaints over the last few year related to the Toyota
vehicle speed control category. I think the correct question is, why did
NHTSA ignore the warning from State Farm back in 2007? Even if the speed
control complaints are valid (and I think most are), Toyotas are not
involved in an unusally high number of fatal crashes. The more I look into
this, the more I realize how safe all cars are. For instance, in 2008 there
were around 240 million passenger vehicles registered in the US. 50,430 of
these were involved in fatal crashes (being involved in a fatal crash means
someone died in the accident, possibly in the vehicle, in another vehicle,
or a pedestrian). That means around 0.02% of all vehicles were invovled in
a crash. I don't know how many Toyotas were on the road in 2008, but only
3118 of the vehicles invovled in crahses in 2008 were Toyotas. This is 6.2%
(of 50,430), which I am guessing was close to (or less than) the percetange
of Toyotas included in the 240 million total number of vehicles.

> Like Obama to explain that please. And no BS slippery talk, straight up.

I know you are not a fan of Obama, but I think it is highly unlikely he has
any direct invovlement in the Toyota debacle. And remember the head of NHTSA
is a Republican. Obama has far more important issues he should be
addressing. On the list of US problems, runaway Toyotas is not in the top
1000.

Ed

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