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From: Mike Hunter on 10 Mar 2010 10:42 Once again our friend Canuck57 is telling us the sky is falling "Canuck57" <Canuck57(a)nospam.com> wrote in message news:iTDln.33771$Dv7.6381(a)newsfe17.iad... > Politicially, DC is desperate to turn the GM turkey around to save face. > > Ford is doing well as they suck the least of the 3 dogs of Detriot, are > now more "American" than Chrysler and didn't suck on the taxpayers wallets > like GM. > > Did people here know GM, Chrysler and Ford too have had this problem in > the past? Didn't even make the news. But then, we expect that of Detroit > and UAW/CAW. > > -- > Politicians don't provide anything, the tax payers do.
From: Mike Hunter on 10 Mar 2010 10:43 Once again our friend Canuck57 is telling us the sky is falling "Canuck57" <Canuck57(a)nospam.com> wrote in message news:2YDln.33772$Dv7.5941(a)newsfe17.iad... > > After all, the incumbants in congress know their constituants are not > happy with the congressional screw ups, port, bailout, corruption and back > peddling. > > -- > Politicians don't provide anything, the tax payers do.
From: iluv my kitties and family on 10 Mar 2010 12:52 And after watching KTLA news in LA over the dish with the Prius doing over 90mph last night there is no way in hell I would get behind any newer Toyota!! It took a cop car to get in front of him and slow down!! That guy, and I would be too, was scared out of his mind! I wish he would do a commercial for "Toyota Quality and Safety". Now some Fords are known to have faulty throttle position sensors and can scare you a little if you haven't seen your rpms out of no where. I am no doubt wrong as they are the experts here. But my opinion is they are working on recalls without the correct solution. Some faults with the computer, tps and the pedal. They started with floor mats-hahaha!!
From: jim beam on 10 Mar 2010 23:08 On 03/09/2010 09:34 AM, C. E. White wrote: > Until a month ago, I never even saw a post from you in the Toyota > newsgroup. poor ed. > Toyota comes under attack and "jim beans" shows up > attacking anyone who dares to not defend Toyota. an artful untruth ed - i'm actually attacking bullshitters and shills. like you. > You spew lies, translation: i voice uncomfortable truths > make > persoanl attacks, translation: i expose shills for what they really are > disparage domestic suppliers, etc. translation: i tell the truth > You have a clear > agenda to distract attention from the current Toyota concerns. no ed, i have a clear agenda to expose bullshitters with double standards, who would lie the truth out of their own grave, and shills who don't have the brains to figure out that the trojan horse they're nurturing, that of the biggest threat to american jobs and industry being the very companies you're "defending" outsourcing all their parts supply to china, is in fact ruining his own future. what you should be working for ed, is a competitive domestic manufacturing industry with competitive local parts supply. "manufacturers" that whine for political sponsorship, and who stoop to paying for morally bankrupt astroturfers like you, are destroying this nation. > > Check with the othe regulars, I've been posting in the Toyota > newsgroup for years. so you've held down this job for years? if you were good at it ed, you'd have moved on and would be earning the big bucks inside the beltway. all you can manage is the bullshit positions in the astroturf circuit. and inertia. > > Who seems more likely to be the paid shill? A regular contributor, or > the "mysterious jim bean" who has a clear one track agenda? raw nerve ed? too close to the truth for you? you have a choice you know - you could go out and get a real job. > > Ed > > inhonesto ostendo sum ipsum what's latin for "morally bankrupt bullshit astroturfer"? -- nomina rutrum rutrum "call a spade a spade".
From: C. E. White on 11 Mar 2010 08:02
"Canuck57" <Canuck57(a)nospam.com> wrote in message news:iTDln.33771$Dv7.6381(a)newsfe17.iad... > I doubt there is any "pro-Toyota" in DC, anything it takes to make > the GM turkey fly is the current motto. I don't think that is true at all. I think there are many members of Congress who are sympathetic towards Toyota. Car dealers have always been major political contributors, and there are a lot of very successful Toyota dealers. Toyota has encouraged the dealers to contact their members of Congress. There were many Toyota dealers in the audience at the hearings. At the corporate level Toyota is a major political contributor. Senators and Representatives from Indiana, Kentucky, Mississippi and Texas have all shown strong support for Toyota. Toyota has a dedicated lobbying group in Washington. And while Democratic supporters of the Obama administrations efforts to bail out GM might have reason to want to see Toyota stumble, don't you think there are almost as many people on the other side who don't because of their hatred of Obama? http://www.nbc-2.com/Global/story.asp?S=12036247 http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=123838790&ps=rs http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/RunawayToyotas/revolving-door-us-safety-agency-toyota-representative/story?id=9747342 http://www.japantoday.com/category/business/view/worried-toyota-dealers-in-us-adding-own-voice-to-pr-push http://www.journalgazette.net/article/20100211/NEWS07/302119966 http://news.medill.northwestern.edu/390/news.aspx?id=157854 http://www.marketwatch.com/story/us-workers-rally-for-japans-toyota-2010-02-24 Apparently Toyota shares your view: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0210/33248.html While I agree the congressional hearing were a joke, I do think there is a concerted effort from the Toyota PR machine to promote the idea that the current furor over runaway Toyota is smear campaign orchestrated by the Obama administration. I can see why Toyota minions like this approach - it deflects attention away from the actual concerns and blames the whole sorry spectacle on a very unpopular congress and a somewhat unpopular administration. Promoting the idea that the Toyota investigations are some sort of Obama inspired plot to prop up General Motors guarantees that all the right wing wacko will come out of the woodwork and pile on, further obscuring the truth. There is a concern that needs to be investigated. I don't think the Congressional hearings, as conducted, were necessary or useful. NHTSA has the responsibility for insuring the safety of motor vehicles. It appears to me in this case they did not do the job properly. If anything should have been investigated, it was NHTSA failure to do its job. Instead, NHTSA was treated with kid gloves by both sides of the aisle during the Congressional hearings. Ed |