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From: Mike Hunter on 9 Mar 2010 14:03 YA THINK? "C. E. White" <cewhite3(a)mindspring.com> wrote in message news:hn60r9$i8l$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > Until a month ago, I never even saw a post from you in the Toyota > newsgroup. Toyota comes under attack and "jim beans" shows up attacking > anyone who dares to not defend Toyota. You spew lies, make persoanl > attacks, disparage domestic suppliers, etc. You have a clear agenda to > distract attention from the current Toyota concerns. > > Check with the othe regulars, I've been posting in the Toyota newsgroup > for years. > > Who seems more likely to be the paid shill? A regular contributor, or the > "mysterious jim bean" who has a clear one track agenda? > > Ed > > inhonesto ostendo sum ipsum > > > >
From: Canuck57 on 9 Mar 2010 21:49 On 08/03/2010 4:57 PM, C. E. White wrote: > > "dbu''" <nospam(a)nobama.com.invalid> wrote in message > news:FNCdnX4p48XNGAjWnZ2dnUVZ_hqdnZ2d(a)giganews.com... > >> Toyota was not "hauled before congress" They came voluntarily. > > LOL...just like they volumtarily instituted the recall. Do you honestly > think they had any choice but show up? If you don't have a choice, then > the action isn't voluntary. It was about the same as when someone > voluntarily turns themselves into the police. Initially Toyoda said he > would not attend the hearings becasue the US head of Toyota could handle > it. Certain Congresse People made a big stink about this, and Toyoda > "voluntarily" change his mind. I think the Congressional hearing were a > giant waste of time designed to distract the public from massive > govermental failures. If anyone deserved to be grilled, it was the head > of NHTSA. THis agency had the job of investigating potential problems. > They failed in the case of the Toyota UA invvestigation. If NHTSA had > done it's job 3 years ago, there would be no firestorm now. Agreed. As their own numbers don't show their current direction. So either this is a Toyota head hunt or NHTSA has been cooking the numbers. Either way, the NHSA needs an overhaul and some firings. I find it credible. -- Politicians don't provide anything, the tax payers do.
From: Canuck57 on 9 Mar 2010 21:56 On 08/03/2010 6:12 PM, C. E. White wrote: > > "dbu''" <nospam(a)nobama.com.invalid> wrote in message > news:htCdnRKSjJo-BQjWnZ2dnUVZ_rOdnZ2d(a)giganews.com... > >> Of course they had a choice Ed, what law would have compelled Mr. >> Toyoda to appear before a US government committee? > > Congress has the power to issue subpoenas, but Congress didn't need to > subpoena Mr. Toyoda. They let public pressure force his appearance. Just > as effective as a subpoena. > >> This was just a >> show for the politicians so they appear to be *for* the consumer, >> (voters), LOL. If a trade war is what the US politicians want then let >> it begin. Remember, Toyota has the best gas preserving car on the US >> roads today. The only thing that keeps Toyota in the dim gunsight is >> their lack of union participation. > > I am sure that some members of Congress are motivated by union pressure. > BUT, plenty of others are pro-Toyota. The UAW doesn't have the power > they had even 20 years ago. I suspect there is actually more pro-Toyota > pressure being exerted on congress than anti-Toyota pressure. We have > Governors , Representatives and Senators from at least four states > openly and loudly supporting Toyota. Then there is the pressure being > exerted by thousands of Toyota dealers. Did you see the article about > how Toyota encouraged the dealers to pack the galleries at the hearing? > Toyota has lobbyist, they make political contributions, etc. > > I know labor Unions still support many candidates, but how many > Representatives and Senators do you think are truly pro-Union these > days? Maybe 30%? Just a guess. > > Ed I doubt there is any "pro-Toyota" in DC, anything it takes to make the GM turkey fly is the current motto. GM-NHTSA report to the same boss at the top. Slight conflict of interest here for Obama. And congess doesn't want to explain a dog GM in November 2010 as it is cheap ammunition for those that want the incumbants seats to point out the waste in tarp using GM as the poster child. Politicially, DC is desperate to turn the GM turkey around to save face. Ford is doing well as they suck the least of the 3 dogs of Detriot, are now more "American" than Chrysler and didn't suck on the taxpayers wallets like GM. Did people here know GM, Chrysler and Ford too have had this problem in the past? Didn't even make the news. But then, we expect that of Detroit and UAW/CAW. -- Politicians don't provide anything, the tax payers do.
From: Canuck57 on 9 Mar 2010 22:01 On 09/03/2010 2:41 AM, dbu'' wrote: > In article<Gt-dnTO4JrzAPQjWnZ2dnUVZ_rWdnZ2d(a)earthlink.com>, > "C. E. White"<cewhite3remove(a)mindspring.com> wrote: > >> "dbu''"<nospam(a)nobama.com.invalid> wrote in message >> news:htCdnRKSjJo-BQjWnZ2dnUVZ_rOdnZ2d(a)giganews.com... >> >>> Of course they had a choice Ed, what law would have compelled Mr. >>> Toyoda to appear before a US government committee? >> >> Congress has the power to issue subpoenas, but Congress didn't need to >> subpoena Mr. Toyoda. They let public pressure force his appearance. Just as >> effective as a subpoena. > > Congress has no power to subpoena a foreign national. In other words > they don't have to appear if they don't want to. They can, the question is do they legally have to show. But they can haul in the head of Toyota USA. Congress is looking to grandstand here. They should be figuring out how to fix the economy and criminal government overspending. A slightly bigger issue, nothing like deflecting away from the real issues in prep for November 2010. After all, the incumbants in congress know their constituants are not happy with the congressional screw ups, port, bailout, corruption and back peddling. -- Politicians don't provide anything, the tax payers do.
From: Mike Hunter on 10 Mar 2010 10:41
Once again our friend Canuck57 is telling us the sky is falling "Canuck57" <Canuck57(a)nospam.com> wrote in message news:dNDln.33770 > Agreed. As their own numbers don't show their current direction. So > either this is a Toyota head hunt or NHTSA has been cooking the numbers. > Either way, the NHSA needs an overhaul and some firings. > > I find it credible. > -- > Politicians don't provide anything, the tax payers do. |