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From: C. E. White on 8 Mar 2010 18:57 "dbu''" <nospam(a)nobama.com.invalid> wrote in message news:FNCdnX4p48XNGAjWnZ2dnUVZ_hqdnZ2d(a)giganews.com... > Toyota was not "hauled before congress" They came voluntarily. LOL...just like they volumtarily instituted the recall. Do you honestly think they had any choice but show up? If you don't have a choice, then the action isn't voluntary. It was about the same as when someone voluntarily turns themselves into the police. Initially Toyoda said he would not attend the hearings becasue the US head of Toyota could handle it. Certain Congresse People made a big stink about this, and Toyoda "voluntarily" change his mind. I think the Congressional hearing were a giant waste of time designed to distract the public from massive govermental failures. If anyone deserved to be grilled, it was the head of NHTSA. THis agency had the job of investigating potential problems. They failed in the case of the Toyota UA invvestigation. If NHTSA had done it's job 3 years ago, there would be no firestorm now. > Have grave doubts about the credibility of this article. It is good to be skeptical of anything you read in the pres (or on the internet). Which part don't you find credible? I can't recall any US manufacturer every throwing mud at competitors over recalls in the manner that Toyota. And given Toyota's long record of decit and cover-up of problems, it is unbelieve that they would start slinging arrows at other manufacturers. And besides in recent history, Toyota has been one of the recall leaders. I wonder if the charts disparaging other manfacturers were cooked up by the same idiots at Toyota that created the PowerPoint presentation bragging about the number of recalls thaey had killed off. Maybe they should realease a chart comparing the number of sucessful cover-up Toyota has conducted. I am sure they lead in that category. Ed
From: C. E. White on 8 Mar 2010 20:12 "dbu''" <nospam(a)nobama.com.invalid> wrote in message news:htCdnRKSjJo-BQjWnZ2dnUVZ_rOdnZ2d(a)giganews.com... > Of course they had a choice Ed, what law would have compelled Mr. > Toyoda to appear before a US government committee? Congress has the power to issue subpoenas, but Congress didn't need to subpoena Mr. Toyoda. They let public pressure force his appearance. Just as effective as a subpoena. > This was just a > show for the politicians so they appear to be *for* the consumer, > (voters), LOL. If a trade war is what the US politicians want then let > it begin. Remember, Toyota has the best gas preserving car on the US > roads today. The only thing that keeps Toyota in the dim gunsight is > their lack of union participation. I am sure that some members of Congress are motivated by union pressure. BUT, plenty of others are pro-Toyota. The UAW doesn't have the power they had even 20 years ago. I suspect there is actually more pro-Toyota pressure being exerted on congress than anti-Toyota pressure. We have Governors , Representatives and Senators from at least four states openly and loudly supporting Toyota. Then there is the pressure being exerted by thousands of Toyota dealers. Did you see the article about how Toyota encouraged the dealers to pack the galleries at the hearing? Toyota has lobbyist, they make political contributions, etc. I know labor Unions still support many candidates, but how many Representatives and Senators do you think are truly pro-Union these days? Maybe 30%? Just a guess. Ed
From: C. E. White on 9 Mar 2010 07:15 "dbu''" <nospam(a)nobama.com.invalid> wrote in message news:wu6dnahD2LEiigvWnZ2dnUVZ_vOdnZ2d(a)giganews.com... > In article <Gt-dnTO4JrzAPQjWnZ2dnUVZ_rWdnZ2d(a)earthlink.com>, > "C. E. White" <cewhite3remove(a)mindspring.com> wrote: > >> "dbu''" <nospam(a)nobama.com.invalid> wrote in message >> news:htCdnRKSjJo-BQjWnZ2dnUVZ_rOdnZ2d(a)giganews.com... >> >> > Of course they had a choice Ed, what law would have compelled >> > Mr. >> > Toyoda to appear before a US government committee? >> >> Congress has the power to issue subpoenas, but Congress didn't need >> to >> subpoena Mr. Toyoda. They let public pressure force his appearance. >> Just as >> effective as a subpoena. > > Congress has no power to subpoena a foreign national. In other > words > they don't have to appear if they don't want to. True enough..well unless he was in the country. Do you think Mr. Toyoda "wanted to appear." Ed
From: C. E. White on 9 Mar 2010 12:34 Until a month ago, I never even saw a post from you in the Toyota newsgroup. Toyota comes under attack and "jim beans" shows up attacking anyone who dares to not defend Toyota. You spew lies, make persoanl attacks, disparage domestic suppliers, etc. You have a clear agenda to distract attention from the current Toyota concerns. Check with the othe regulars, I've been posting in the Toyota newsgroup for years. Who seems more likely to be the paid shill? A regular contributor, or the "mysterious jim bean" who has a clear one track agenda? Ed inhonesto ostendo sum ipsum
From: Ray O on 9 Mar 2010 12:39
"C. E. White" <cewhite3(a)mindspring.com> wrote in message news:hn60r9$i8l$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > Until a month ago, I never even saw a post from you in the Toyota > newsgroup. Toyota comes under attack and "jim beans" shows up attacking > anyone who dares to not defend Toyota. You spew lies, make persoanl > attacks, disparage domestic suppliers, etc. You have a clear agenda to > distract attention from the current Toyota concerns. > > Check with the othe regulars, I've been posting in the Toyota newsgroup > for years. > > Who seems more likely to be the paid shill? A regular contributor, or the > "mysterious jim bean" who has a clear one track agenda? > > Ed > > inhonesto ostendo sum ipsum > While I do not always agree with Ed, it seems to me like he makes an honest effort to be objective and he tries to separate his opinions from facts. I see nothing wrong with that. -- Ray O (correct punctuation to reply) |