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From: David Z on 6 Feb 2010 17:39 "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message news:pan.2010.02.06.21.53.49.524026(a)e86.GTS... > On Sat, 06 Feb 2010 07:06:03 -0600, dbu'' wrote: > >> >> There is quite a contrast between my experiences with "big three" and >> Toyota. I won't be going back there any time soon. > > Wait...won't be going to Toyota? One recall and you're scared off? ;) > > People don't seem to understand, it's also how a car company treats you. > > Any problems with my Toyota, new or used, that were cause by Toyota were > repaired by Toyota (of course, I won't be taking a Supra with 178,000 > miles on it and saying "Fix the tranny!" Man's got to know his > limitations!) > > But other problems were taken car of, no trouble. No arguing. No nothing > except a repaired car that lasted for years. > > People who odn't like rice need something to cry about when a Jap car > company shows it makes mistakes, albeit many times fewer than their > American counterparts. > > Hey, Toyota! Welcome to the wonderful world of US made parts! When it's time for a new car, I'll worry about it then. Will this episode factor into my decision? Of course. Does it rule out another Toyota/Lexus? No.
From: David Z on 6 Feb 2010 21:37 "dbu''" <nospam(a)nobama.com.invalid> wrote in message news:kpednWokXefrg_PWnZ2dnUVZ_jBi4p2d(a)giganews.com... > In article <pan.2010.02.06.21.53.49.524026(a)e86.GTS>, > Hachiroku �?n�?`�?�N <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote: > >> On Sat, 06 Feb 2010 07:06:03 -0600, dbu'' wrote: >> >> > >> > There is quite a contrast between my experiences with "big three" and >> > Toyota. I won't be going back there any time soon. >> >> Wait...won't be going to Toyota? One recall and you're scared off? ;) >> >> People don't seem to understand, it's also how a car company treats you. >> >> Any problems with my Toyota, new or used, that were cause by Toyota were >> repaired by Toyota (of course, I won't be taking a Supra with 178,000 >> miles on it and saying "Fix the tranny!" Man's got to know his >> limitations!) >> >> But other problems were taken car of, no trouble. No arguing. No nothing >> except a repaired car that lasted for years. >> >> People who odn't like rice need something to cry about when a Jap car >> company shows it makes mistakes, albeit many times fewer than their >> American counterparts. >> >> Hey, Toyota! Welcome to the wonderful world of US made parts! > > I won't be going back to the big three anytime soon. My next vehicle, > new one will be a Toyota, maybe an RAV4 when we get down to one vehicle. Toyota's stumble is definitely a big opportunity for GM and Ford, in that order. Competition is a good thing. As the GM commercial says, let the best car win.
From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 6 Feb 2010 22:36 On Sat, 06 Feb 2010 21:37:05 -0500, David Z wrote: > "dbu''" <nospam(a)nobama.com.invalid> wrote in message > news:kpednWokXefrg_PWnZ2dnUVZ_jBi4p2d(a)giganews.com... >> In article <pan.2010.02.06.21.53.49.524026(a)e86.GTS>, Hachiroku >> Ã?nÃ?`Ã?çÃ?N <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote: >> >>> On Sat, 06 Feb 2010 07:06:03 -0600, dbu'' wrote: >>> >>> >>> > There is quite a contrast between my experiences with "big three" and >>> > Toyota. I won't be going back there any time soon. >>> >>> Wait...won't be going to Toyota? One recall and you're scared off? ;) >>> >>> People don't seem to understand, it's also how a car company treats >>> you. >>> >>> Any problems with my Toyota, new or used, that were cause by Toyota >>> were repaired by Toyota (of course, I won't be taking a Supra with >>> 178,000 miles on it and saying "Fix the tranny!" Man's got to know his >>> limitations!) >>> >>> But other problems were taken car of, no trouble. No arguing. No >>> nothing except a repaired car that lasted for years. >>> >>> People who odn't like rice need something to cry about when a Jap car >>> company shows it makes mistakes, albeit many times fewer than their >>> American counterparts. >>> >>> Hey, Toyota! Welcome to the wonderful world of US made parts! >> >> I won't be going back to the big three anytime soon. My next vehicle, >> new one will be a Toyota, maybe an RAV4 when we get down to one vehicle. > > Toyota's stumble is definitely a big opportunity for GM and Ford, in that > order. Competition is a good thing. As the GM commercial says, let the > best car win. I think Government Motors right now is an Also Ran. Fords are hot now.
From: fred on 7 Feb 2010 01:02
"Al Falfa" <crop(a)eastforty.fld> wrote in news:4b6c9c18$1(a)newsgate.x-privat.org: > > > "David Z" <me(a)privacy.net> wrote in message > news:7t2rhsFv0uU1(a)mid.individual.net... >> >> With car recalls, ideally, the press should find out about the >> problem when the recall is announced. The problem here, IMO, is that >> a culture has evolved at Toyota whereby they deny and stonewall >> problems until they are forced into admitting them. That's the >> lesson here. >> >> The first "crash" happened years ago. Toyota has had plenty of time >> to investigate. Instead they've used that time denying the problem >> exists. > The fear is that the problem will be revealed before a fix is in place > because if it is, sales will grind to a standstill. Clearly Toyota > knew there was a problem with the 2010 Prius brakes because they fixed > it and changed their assembly last month. At that time there were > defective Prius in dealer showrooms, distributor lots and on boats > heading away from their plants. By admitting the problem these cars > would become unsalable until repaired. Moreover, they had plenty of > time to tell people there brakes might not work in some situations but > didn't do so. Frankly, I believe a crime has been committed. > And what *exactly* is the criminal offence you're referring to? idiots that can't think clearly enough to know to shift that car into neutral were given a drivers licence without cause in the less than 2 dozen cases where something's actually happened? |