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From: Thibaud Taudin Chabot on 6 Feb 2010 04:55 C. E. White schreef: > > "dbu''" <nospam(a)nobama.com.invalid> wrote in message > news:BKKdnVZPN8TbNvHWnZ2dnUVZ_tSdnZ2d(a)giganews.com... > >>> The first "crash" happened years ago. Toyota has had plenty of time to >>> investigate. Instead they've used that time denying the problem exists. >> >> I do not believe anyone is "denying the problem". It takes time to >> evaluate REAL problems, I hope you understand this. Toyota has >> addressed the problem and IS taking corrective action. The numbers of >> problems as opposed to the number of vehicles operating is >> verrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry small. In fact better than space, NASA >> requirements. It's been blown, thanks the the current administration >> and their beholden to unions, way out of proportion. > > You you really believe this? I agree the problem has been greatly > exaggerated by the press. However, apparently the problems are real. And > Toyota was warned about these problems at least 3 years ago. Instead of > investigating the problems, Toyota pulled their usual BS, denied the > problem and tried to shift blame (initially to the Customers, then > suppliers). Unfortunately this is standard operating procedure for > Toyota. They have tried to lie their way out of numerous defects (ball > joints, frame, suspensions, etc.). I just saw on CBS News that the CEO > of Toyota is now claiming that Customers are number 1 at Toyota. Maybe > he means it this time, but Toyota's history suggest what he really means > is "our Customers are the number 1 suckers and our number 1 goal is > getting as much of their money as we can." > > Ed then why are there so may of them on the road? There must be a reason why all those customers buy a Toyota.
From: Steve Austin on 6 Feb 2010 07:33 Hachiroku ハチロク wrote: > Mitsubishi has made some BAD cars, and their line of large trucks have had > the most recalls. > > That said, I'd still buy a 3000GT... > Good luck finding parts for a 3000GT.
From: Mike Hunter on 6 Feb 2010 12:11 (Cross postings deleted, automatically) Perhaps, but if you check the public record you will discover Audis "Problem" proved to be driver error, not a mechanical problem as in the current case with Toyota. "Kevin" <kjfkjf(a)frontiernet.net> wrote in message news:cvrpm5hndamj7g3a1v9t4ipbbcpcncuqje(a)4ax.com... On Fri, 05 Feb 2010 18:15:00 -0600, dbu'' <nospam(a)nobama.com.invalid> wrote: > >Are you privy to internal Toyota quality investigations? Apparently Dimitrios Biller was. Do a google search on his lawsuit from last fall. Of course, he's a lawyer so his credibility could come into question:) Apparently he's not the only one who thinks that they are being less than forthcoming with all of the information: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/08/31/cbsnews_investigates/main5278273.shtml > >>Toyota pulled their usual BS, denied the problem >> and tried to shift blame (initially to the Customers, then suppliers). > >Remember Audi and their acceleration problems? > >> Unfortunately this is standard operating procedure for Toyota. > >It is NOT SOP Toyota. Prove that remark!! > Looks like that's exactly what is being attempted. Of course it'll probably be a while before it all is settled. -- E-mail: kevjay(a)attglobal.net
From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 6 Feb 2010 16:53 On Sat, 06 Feb 2010 07:06:03 -0600, dbu'' wrote: > > There is quite a contrast between my experiences with "big three" and > Toyota. I won't be going back there any time soon. Wait...won't be going to Toyota? One recall and you're scared off? ;) People don't seem to understand, it's also how a car company treats you. Any problems with my Toyota, new or used, that were cause by Toyota were repaired by Toyota (of course, I won't be taking a Supra with 178,000 miles on it and saying "Fix the tranny!" Man's got to know his limitations!) But other problems were taken car of, no trouble. No arguing. No nothing except a repaired car that lasted for years. People who odn't like rice need something to cry about when a Jap car company shows it makes mistakes, albeit many times fewer than their American counterparts. Hey, Toyota! Welcome to the wonderful world of US made parts!
From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 6 Feb 2010 16:55
On Sat, 06 Feb 2010 07:33:57 -0500, Steve Austin wrote: > Hachiroku ハチロク wrote: > >> Mitsubishi has made some BAD cars, and their line of large trucks have >> had the most recalls. >> >> That said, I'd still buy a 3000GT... >> >> > > Good luck finding parts for a 3000GT. Shoot, good luck finding parts for an '88 Supra! I got THE LAST A/T cooling line from a shelf of a dealer... In JAPAN! |