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From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 5 Feb 2010 23:13 On Fri, 05 Feb 2010 21:54:27 -0600, Vic Smith wrote: > On Fri, 05 Feb 2010 22:36:02 -0500, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote: > > > >>I'd close all NA plants and move manufacturing back to Japan... >> > What, and then close the Japan plants? They're recalling those too. > The ones with the "J" in the VIN. > > --Vic What models? The Prius?
From: Kevin on 5 Feb 2010 23:28 On Fri, 05 Feb 2010 18:15:00 -0600, dbu'' <nospam(a)nobama.com.invalid> wrote: > >Are you privy to internal Toyota quality investigations? Apparently Dimitrios Biller was. Do a google search on his lawsuit from last fall. Of course, he's a lawyer so his credibility could come into question:) Apparently he's not the only one who thinks that they are being less than forthcoming with all of the information: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/08/31/cbsnews_investigates/main5278273.shtml > >>Toyota pulled their usual BS, denied the problem >> and tried to shift blame (initially to the Customers, then suppliers). > >Remember Audi and their acceleration problems? > >> Unfortunately this is standard operating procedure for Toyota. > >It is NOT SOP Toyota. Prove that remark!! > Looks like that's exactly what is being attempted. Of course it'll probably be a while before it all is settled. -- E-mail: kevjay(a)attglobal.net
From: Vic Smith on 5 Feb 2010 23:37 or one. Hard to say what On Fri, 05 Feb 2010 23:13:50 -0500, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote: >On Fri, 05 Feb 2010 21:54:27 -0600, Vic Smith wrote: > >> On Fri, 05 Feb 2010 22:36:02 -0500, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote: >> >> >> >>>I'd close all NA plants and move manufacturing back to Japan... >>> >> What, and then close the Japan plants? They're recalling those too. >> The ones with the "J" in the VIN. >> >> --Vic > >What models? > >The Prius? > For one. Hard to say what the regulators do over there. Foreign country. Did find this: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/04/business/global/04prius.html "A catalyst for the government's expanded role was a scandal in 2000 involving the cover-up of a string of defects by Mitsubishi Motors, which almost drove the automaker out of business. The number of cars affected by recalls in Japan have surged since then, jumping to 5.07 million in 2008 from 680,216 in 1998." Looks like Japan isn't the place to hide from recalls. Might be time to change your name to Horst and pick up a Mercedes. Is that a "G" VIN? --Vic
From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 6 Feb 2010 00:18 On Fri, 05 Feb 2010 22:37:35 -0600, Vic Smith wrote: > or one. Hard to say what On Fri, 05 Feb 2010 23:13:50 -0500, Hachiroku > ???? <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote: > >>On Fri, 05 Feb 2010 21:54:27 -0600, Vic Smith wrote: >> >>> On Fri, 05 Feb 2010 22:36:02 -0500, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>I'd close all NA plants and move manufacturing back to Japan... >>>> >>> What, and then close the Japan plants? They're recalling those too. The >>> ones with the "J" in the VIN. >>> >>> --Vic >> >>What models? >> >>The Prius? >> > For one. Hard to say what the regulators do over there. Foreign country. > Did find this: > http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/04/business/global/04prius.html "A catalyst > for the government's expanded role was a scandal in 2000 involving the > cover-up of a string of defects by Mitsubishi Motors, which almost drove > the automaker out of business. The number of cars affected by recalls in > Japan have surged since then, jumping to 5.07 million in 2008 from 680,216 > in 1998." > > Looks like Japan isn't the place to hide from recalls. Might be time to > change your name to Horst and pick up a Mercedes. Is that a "G" VIN? > > --Vic Mitsubishi has made some BAD cars, and their line of large trucks have had the most recalls. That said, I'd still buy a 3000GT... Germany is a "W" to indicate West Germany. Eurpoean cars SUCK!!!!
From: News on 6 Feb 2010 00:24
dbu'' wrote: > In article <Pr6dnTF0U_DWK_HWnZ2dnUVZ_vNi4p2d(a)speakeasy.net>, > News <News(a)Groups.Name> wrote: > >> dbu'' wrote: >>> In article <CcmdnSxSl_8PMPHWnZ2dnUVZ_qSdnZ2d(a)earthlink.com>, >>> "C. E. White" <cewhite3remove(a)mindspring.com> wrote: >>> >>>> "dbu''" <nospam(a)nobama.com.invalid> wrote in message >>>> news:BKKdnVZPN8TbNvHWnZ2dnUVZ_tSdnZ2d(a)giganews.com... >>>> >>>>>> The first "crash" happened years ago. Toyota has had plenty of time to >>>>>> investigate. Instead they've used that time denying the problem exists. >>>>> I do not believe anyone is "denying the problem". It takes time to >>>>> evaluate REAL problems, I hope you understand this. Toyota has >>>>> addressed the problem and IS taking corrective action. The numbers of >>>>> problems as opposed to the number of vehicles operating is >>>>> verrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry small. In fact better than space, NASA >>>>> requirements. It's been blown, thanks the the current administration >>>>> and their beholden to unions, way out of proportion. >>>> You you really believe this? >>> Yes!! >>> >>>> I agree the problem has been greatly >>>> exaggerated by the press. >>> Thankyou >>> >>>> However, apparently the problems are real. And >>>> Toyota was warned about these problems at least 3 years ago. Instead of >>>> investigating the problems, >>> Are you privy to internal Toyota quality investigations? >>> >>>> Toyota pulled their usual BS, denied the problem >>>> and tried to shift blame (initially to the Customers, then suppliers). >>> Remember Audi and their acceleration problems? >>> >>>> Unfortunately this is standard operating procedure for Toyota. >>> It is NOT SOP Toyota. Prove that remark!! >>> >>>> They have >>>> tried to lie their way out of numerous defects (ball joints, frame, >>>> suspensions, etc.). >>> What!!! I never heard of these things you claim. Expand and post proof. >>> >>>> I just saw on CBS News that the CEO of Toyota is now >>>> claiming that Customers are number 1 at Toyota. >>> First hand experience I have had nothing but stellar customer experience >>> with my two Toyota vehicles. I WILL buy again Toyota. >>> >>>> Maybe he means it this time, >>>> but Toyota's history suggest what he really means is "our Customers are >>>> the >>>> number 1 suckers and our number 1 goal is getting as much of their money >>>> as >>>> we can." >>> In Japanese culture this is very humiliating. They will work very hard >>> to repair their reputation, unlike American car companies. I can tell >>> you about my experience with the "big three". I won't go back. Fool me >>> once shame on you, but fool me many times shame on me numerous times!!! >>>> Ed >> >> I'd like to think so. >> >> Just a coincidence that Toyota hired a new Washington lobbying and PR >> firm... > > In the American, quarter to quarter culture of business, that is what > one must do. Toyota WILL survive. What Toyota 'must do' is address the source(s) of the problem(s). A new PR/lobbying firm won't help with that, but may help with the 'slow walk' they've been issuing so far.. |