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From: Mike Hunter on 6 Feb 2010 12:11 (Cross postings deleted, automatically) Perhaps, but if you check the public record you will discover Audis "Problem" proved to be driver error, not a mechanical problem as in the current case with Toyota. "Kevin" <kjfkjf(a)frontiernet.net> wrote in message news:cvrpm5hndamj7g3a1v9t4ipbbcpcncuqje(a)4ax.com... On Fri, 05 Feb 2010 18:15:00 -0600, dbu'' <nospam(a)nobama.com.invalid> wrote: > >Are you privy to internal Toyota quality investigations? Apparently Dimitrios Biller was. Do a google search on his lawsuit from last fall. Of course, he's a lawyer so his credibility could come into question:) Apparently he's not the only one who thinks that they are being less than forthcoming with all of the information: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/08/31/cbsnews_investigates/main5278273.shtml > >>Toyota pulled their usual BS, denied the problem >> and tried to shift blame (initially to the Customers, then suppliers). > >Remember Audi and their acceleration problems? > >> Unfortunately this is standard operating procedure for Toyota. > >It is NOT SOP Toyota. Prove that remark!! > Looks like that's exactly what is being attempted. Of course it'll probably be a while before it all is settled. -- E-mail: kevjay(a)attglobal.net
From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 6 Feb 2010 16:53 On Sat, 06 Feb 2010 07:06:03 -0600, dbu'' wrote: > > There is quite a contrast between my experiences with "big three" and > Toyota. I won't be going back there any time soon. Wait...won't be going to Toyota? One recall and you're scared off? ;) People don't seem to understand, it's also how a car company treats you. Any problems with my Toyota, new or used, that were cause by Toyota were repaired by Toyota (of course, I won't be taking a Supra with 178,000 miles on it and saying "Fix the tranny!" Man's got to know his limitations!) But other problems were taken car of, no trouble. No arguing. No nothing except a repaired car that lasted for years. People who odn't like rice need something to cry about when a Jap car company shows it makes mistakes, albeit many times fewer than their American counterparts. Hey, Toyota! Welcome to the wonderful world of US made parts!
From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 6 Feb 2010 16:55 On Sat, 06 Feb 2010 07:33:57 -0500, Steve Austin wrote: > Hachiroku ハチロク wrote: > >> Mitsubishi has made some BAD cars, and their line of large trucks have >> had the most recalls. >> >> That said, I'd still buy a 3000GT... >> >> > > Good luck finding parts for a 3000GT. Shoot, good luck finding parts for an '88 Supra! I got THE LAST A/T cooling line from a shelf of a dealer... In JAPAN!
From: David Z on 6 Feb 2010 17:39 "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message news:pan.2010.02.06.21.53.49.524026(a)e86.GTS... > On Sat, 06 Feb 2010 07:06:03 -0600, dbu'' wrote: > >> >> There is quite a contrast between my experiences with "big three" and >> Toyota. I won't be going back there any time soon. > > Wait...won't be going to Toyota? One recall and you're scared off? ;) > > People don't seem to understand, it's also how a car company treats you. > > Any problems with my Toyota, new or used, that were cause by Toyota were > repaired by Toyota (of course, I won't be taking a Supra with 178,000 > miles on it and saying "Fix the tranny!" Man's got to know his > limitations!) > > But other problems were taken car of, no trouble. No arguing. No nothing > except a repaired car that lasted for years. > > People who odn't like rice need something to cry about when a Jap car > company shows it makes mistakes, albeit many times fewer than their > American counterparts. > > Hey, Toyota! Welcome to the wonderful world of US made parts! When it's time for a new car, I'll worry about it then. Will this episode factor into my decision? Of course. Does it rule out another Toyota/Lexus? No.
From: David Z on 6 Feb 2010 21:37
"dbu''" <nospam(a)nobama.com.invalid> wrote in message news:kpednWokXefrg_PWnZ2dnUVZ_jBi4p2d(a)giganews.com... > In article <pan.2010.02.06.21.53.49.524026(a)e86.GTS>, > Hachiroku �?n�?`�?�N <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote: > >> On Sat, 06 Feb 2010 07:06:03 -0600, dbu'' wrote: >> >> > >> > There is quite a contrast between my experiences with "big three" and >> > Toyota. I won't be going back there any time soon. >> >> Wait...won't be going to Toyota? One recall and you're scared off? ;) >> >> People don't seem to understand, it's also how a car company treats you. >> >> Any problems with my Toyota, new or used, that were cause by Toyota were >> repaired by Toyota (of course, I won't be taking a Supra with 178,000 >> miles on it and saying "Fix the tranny!" Man's got to know his >> limitations!) >> >> But other problems were taken car of, no trouble. No arguing. No nothing >> except a repaired car that lasted for years. >> >> People who odn't like rice need something to cry about when a Jap car >> company shows it makes mistakes, albeit many times fewer than their >> American counterparts. >> >> Hey, Toyota! Welcome to the wonderful world of US made parts! > > I won't be going back to the big three anytime soon. My next vehicle, > new one will be a Toyota, maybe an RAV4 when we get down to one vehicle. Toyota's stumble is definitely a big opportunity for GM and Ford, in that order. Competition is a good thing. As the GM commercial says, let the best car win. |