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From: Mike Hunter on 5 Feb 2010 19:39 (Cross postings deleted, automatically) When thing is certain, Toyota says they will stand behind their cars. If I were Toyota and had 5,400,000,000 cars being recalled, because of unintended acceleration and faulty brakes, that is WHERE I would stand as well. LOL "dbu''" <nospam(a)nobama.com.invalid> wrote in message news:zIydnQK58b0YKfHWnZ2dnUVZ_s2dnZ2d(a)giganews.com... > In article <CcmdnSxSl_8PMPHWnZ2dnUVZ_qSdnZ2d(a)earthlink.com>, > "C. E. White" <cewhite3remove(a)mindspring.com> wrote: > >> "dbu''" <nospam(a)nobama.com.invalid> wrote in message >> news:BKKdnVZPN8TbNvHWnZ2dnUVZ_tSdnZ2d(a)giganews.com... >> >> >> The first "crash" happened years ago. Toyota has had plenty of time >> >> to >> >> investigate. Instead they've used that time denying the problem >> >> exists. >> > >> > I do not believe anyone is "denying the problem". It takes time to >> > evaluate REAL problems, I hope you understand this. Toyota has >> > addressed the problem and IS taking corrective action. The numbers of >> > problems as opposed to the number of vehicles operating is >> > verrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry small. In fact better than space, NASA >> > requirements. It's been blown, thanks the the current administration >> > and their beholden to unions, way out of proportion. >> >> You you really believe this? > > Yes!! > >>I agree the problem has been greatly >> exaggerated by the press. > > Thankyou > >>However, apparently the problems are real. And >> Toyota was warned about these problems at least 3 years ago. Instead of >> investigating the problems, > > Are you privy to internal Toyota quality investigations? > >>Toyota pulled their usual BS, denied the problem >> and tried to shift blame (initially to the Customers, then suppliers). > > Remember Audi and their acceleration problems? > >> Unfortunately this is standard operating procedure for Toyota. > > It is NOT SOP Toyota. Prove that remark!! > >>They have >> tried to lie their way out of numerous defects (ball joints, frame, >> suspensions, etc.). > > What!!! I never heard of these things you claim. Expand and post proof. > >>I just saw on CBS News that the CEO of Toyota is now >> claiming that Customers are number 1 at Toyota. > > First hand experience I have had nothing but stellar customer experience > with my two Toyota vehicles. I WILL buy again Toyota. > >> Maybe he means it this time, >> but Toyota's history suggest what he really means is "our Customers are >> the >> number 1 suckers and our number 1 goal is getting as much of their money >> as >> we can." > > In Japanese culture this is very humiliating. They will work very hard > to repair their reputation, unlike American car companies. I can tell > you about my experience with the "big three". I won't go back. Fool me > once shame on you, but fool me many times shame on me numerous times!!! >> >> Ed > -- >
From: Mike Hunter on 5 Feb 2010 19:39 (Cross postings deleted, automatically) Ya THINK? "News" <News(a)Groups.Name> wrote in message news:Pr6dnTF0U_DWK_HWnZ2dnUVZ_vNi4p2d(a)speakeasy.net... > dbu'' wrote: >> In article <CcmdnSxSl_8PMPHWnZ2dnUVZ_qSdnZ2d(a)earthlink.com>, >> "C. E. White" <cewhite3remove(a)mindspring.com> wrote: >> >>> "dbu''" <nospam(a)nobama.com.invalid> wrote in message >>> news:BKKdnVZPN8TbNvHWnZ2dnUVZ_tSdnZ2d(a)giganews.com... >>> >>>>> The first "crash" happened years ago. Toyota has had plenty of time >>>>> to >>>>> investigate. Instead they've used that time denying the problem >>>>> exists. >>>> I do not believe anyone is "denying the problem". It takes time to >>>> evaluate REAL problems, I hope you understand this. Toyota has >>>> addressed the problem and IS taking corrective action. The numbers of >>>> problems as opposed to the number of vehicles operating is >>>> verrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry small. In fact better than space, NASA >>>> requirements. It's been blown, thanks the the current administration >>>> and their beholden to unions, way out of proportion. >>> You you really believe this? >> >> Yes!! >> >>> I agree the problem has been greatly exaggerated by the press. >> >> Thankyou >> >>> However, apparently the problems are real. And Toyota was warned about >>> these problems at least 3 years ago. Instead of investigating the >>> problems, >> >> Are you privy to internal Toyota quality investigations? >> >>> Toyota pulled their usual BS, denied the problem and tried to shift >>> blame (initially to the Customers, then suppliers). >> >> Remember Audi and their acceleration problems? >> >>> Unfortunately this is standard operating procedure for Toyota. >> >> It is NOT SOP Toyota. Prove that remark!! >>> They have tried to lie their way out of numerous defects (ball joints, >>> frame, suspensions, etc.). >> >> What!!! I never heard of these things you claim. Expand and post proof. >> >>> I just saw on CBS News that the CEO of Toyota is now claiming that >>> Customers are number 1 at Toyota. >> >> First hand experience I have had nothing but stellar customer experience >> with my two Toyota vehicles. I WILL buy again Toyota. >>> Maybe he means it this time, but Toyota's history suggest what he really >>> means is "our Customers are the number 1 suckers and our number 1 goal >>> is getting as much of their money as we can." >> >> In Japanese culture this is very humiliating. They will work very hard >> to repair their reputation, unlike American car companies. I can tell >> you about my experience with the "big three". I won't go back. Fool me >> once shame on you, but fool me many times shame on me numerous times!!! >>> Ed > > > I'd like to think so. > > Just a coincidence that Toyota hired a new Washington lobbying and PR > firm...
From: Al Falfa on 5 Feb 2010 20:21 "dbu''" <nospam(a)nobama.com.invalid> wrote in message news:BKKdnVZPN8TbNvHWnZ2dnUVZ_tSdnZ2d(a)giganews.com... > > I do not believe anyone is "denying the problem". It takes time to > evaluate REAL problems, I hope you understand this. Toyota has > addressed the problem and IS taking corrective action. The numbers of > problems as opposed to the number of vehicles operating is > verrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry small. In fact better than space, NASA > requirements. It's been blown, thanks the the current administration > and their beholden to unions, way out of proportion. > -- Not really. Toyota knew about the problem. They fixed the problem and incorporated the fix into cars rolling off their assembly line. They did all of this without telling those of us who own 2010s that our cars had this problem. Criminal negligence arising out of unbridled corporate greed.
From: Vic Smith on 5 Feb 2010 21:30 On Fri, 05 Feb 2010 20:25:37 -0600, dbu'' <nospam(a)nobama.com.invalid> wrote: >In article <v5epm55mb9r21vpcvkjo8p7mhs3p9hfa7v(a)4ax.com>, > Vic Smith <thismailautodeleted(a)comcast.net> wrote: > >> On Fri, 05 Feb 2010 18:15:00 -0600, dbu'' <nospam(a)nobama.com.invalid> >> wrote: >> >> >> > >> >In Japanese culture this is very humiliating. They will work very hard >> >to repair their reputation, unlike American car companies. I can tell >> >you about my experience with the "big three". I won't go back. Fool me >> >once shame on you, but fool me many times shame on me numerous times!!! >> >> >> >> Let's not forget the kamikaze element of Japanese culture. >> That's probably what the Lexus driver experienced. >> >> --Vic > >Remember the Audi? > >I know you all American, live in the past freaks hate Toyota, because >they bested the great American dream, but face up, buck up, they, Toyota >has been and will be the premier auto mfg now and in the future. They >innovate and stick by their consumers. I am living proof. The big >three let me down numerous times, until the last time. Now I am not one >of their kling-on's. Color me gone. Whatever works for you, Trekkie. BTW, much of same loyalty mentality once applied to GM. Things change. --Vic
From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 5 Feb 2010 22:35
On Fri, 05 Feb 2010 20:30:49 -0600, Vic Smith wrote: > On Fri, 05 Feb 2010 20:25:37 -0600, dbu'' <nospam(a)nobama.com.invalid> > wrote: > >>In article <v5epm55mb9r21vpcvkjo8p7mhs3p9hfa7v(a)4ax.com>, >> Vic Smith <thismailautodeleted(a)comcast.net> wrote: >> >>> On Fri, 05 Feb 2010 18:15:00 -0600, dbu'' <nospam(a)nobama.com.invalid> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >In Japanese culture this is very humiliating. They will work very >>> >hard to repair their reputation, unlike American car companies. I can >>> >tell you about my experience with the "big three". I won't go back. >>> >Fool me once shame on you, but fool me many times shame on me numerous >>> >times!!! >>> >> >>> >> >>> Let's not forget the kamikaze element of Japanese culture. That's >>> probably what the Lexus driver experienced. >>> >>> --Vic >> >>Remember the Audi? >> >>I know you all American, live in the past freaks hate Toyota, because >>they bested the great American dream, but face up, buck up, they, Toyota >>has been and will be the premier auto mfg now and in the future. They >>innovate and stick by their consumers. I am living proof. The big three >>let me down numerous times, until the last time. Now I am not one of >>their kling-on's. Color me gone. > > Whatever works for you, Trekkie. > BTW, much of same loyalty mentality once applied to GM. Things change. > > --Vic If this were about 1970, I'd be talking about our Chevy II Nova... |