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From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 6 Feb 2010 00:18 On Fri, 05 Feb 2010 22:37:35 -0600, Vic Smith wrote: > or one. Hard to say what On Fri, 05 Feb 2010 23:13:50 -0500, Hachiroku > ???? <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote: > >>On Fri, 05 Feb 2010 21:54:27 -0600, Vic Smith wrote: >> >>> On Fri, 05 Feb 2010 22:36:02 -0500, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>I'd close all NA plants and move manufacturing back to Japan... >>>> >>> What, and then close the Japan plants? They're recalling those too. The >>> ones with the "J" in the VIN. >>> >>> --Vic >> >>What models? >> >>The Prius? >> > For one. Hard to say what the regulators do over there. Foreign country. > Did find this: > http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/04/business/global/04prius.html "A catalyst > for the government's expanded role was a scandal in 2000 involving the > cover-up of a string of defects by Mitsubishi Motors, which almost drove > the automaker out of business. The number of cars affected by recalls in > Japan have surged since then, jumping to 5.07 million in 2008 from 680,216 > in 1998." > > Looks like Japan isn't the place to hide from recalls. Might be time to > change your name to Horst and pick up a Mercedes. Is that a "G" VIN? > > --Vic Mitsubishi has made some BAD cars, and their line of large trucks have had the most recalls. That said, I'd still buy a 3000GT... Germany is a "W" to indicate West Germany. Eurpoean cars SUCK!!!!
From: News on 6 Feb 2010 00:24 dbu'' wrote: > In article <Pr6dnTF0U_DWK_HWnZ2dnUVZ_vNi4p2d(a)speakeasy.net>, > News <News(a)Groups.Name> wrote: > >> dbu'' wrote: >>> In article <CcmdnSxSl_8PMPHWnZ2dnUVZ_qSdnZ2d(a)earthlink.com>, >>> "C. E. White" <cewhite3remove(a)mindspring.com> wrote: >>> >>>> "dbu''" <nospam(a)nobama.com.invalid> wrote in message >>>> news:BKKdnVZPN8TbNvHWnZ2dnUVZ_tSdnZ2d(a)giganews.com... >>>> >>>>>> The first "crash" happened years ago. Toyota has had plenty of time to >>>>>> investigate. Instead they've used that time denying the problem exists. >>>>> I do not believe anyone is "denying the problem". It takes time to >>>>> evaluate REAL problems, I hope you understand this. Toyota has >>>>> addressed the problem and IS taking corrective action. The numbers of >>>>> problems as opposed to the number of vehicles operating is >>>>> verrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry small. In fact better than space, NASA >>>>> requirements. It's been blown, thanks the the current administration >>>>> and their beholden to unions, way out of proportion. >>>> You you really believe this? >>> Yes!! >>> >>>> I agree the problem has been greatly >>>> exaggerated by the press. >>> Thankyou >>> >>>> However, apparently the problems are real. And >>>> Toyota was warned about these problems at least 3 years ago. Instead of >>>> investigating the problems, >>> Are you privy to internal Toyota quality investigations? >>> >>>> Toyota pulled their usual BS, denied the problem >>>> and tried to shift blame (initially to the Customers, then suppliers). >>> Remember Audi and their acceleration problems? >>> >>>> Unfortunately this is standard operating procedure for Toyota. >>> It is NOT SOP Toyota. Prove that remark!! >>> >>>> They have >>>> tried to lie their way out of numerous defects (ball joints, frame, >>>> suspensions, etc.). >>> What!!! I never heard of these things you claim. Expand and post proof. >>> >>>> I just saw on CBS News that the CEO of Toyota is now >>>> claiming that Customers are number 1 at Toyota. >>> First hand experience I have had nothing but stellar customer experience >>> with my two Toyota vehicles. I WILL buy again Toyota. >>> >>>> Maybe he means it this time, >>>> but Toyota's history suggest what he really means is "our Customers are >>>> the >>>> number 1 suckers and our number 1 goal is getting as much of their money >>>> as >>>> we can." >>> In Japanese culture this is very humiliating. They will work very hard >>> to repair their reputation, unlike American car companies. I can tell >>> you about my experience with the "big three". I won't go back. Fool me >>> once shame on you, but fool me many times shame on me numerous times!!! >>>> Ed >> >> I'd like to think so. >> >> Just a coincidence that Toyota hired a new Washington lobbying and PR >> firm... > > In the American, quarter to quarter culture of business, that is what > one must do. Toyota WILL survive. What Toyota 'must do' is address the source(s) of the problem(s). A new PR/lobbying firm won't help with that, but may help with the 'slow walk' they've been issuing so far..
From: Thibaud Taudin Chabot on 6 Feb 2010 04:55 C. E. White schreef: > > "dbu''" <nospam(a)nobama.com.invalid> wrote in message > news:BKKdnVZPN8TbNvHWnZ2dnUVZ_tSdnZ2d(a)giganews.com... > >>> The first "crash" happened years ago. Toyota has had plenty of time to >>> investigate. Instead they've used that time denying the problem exists. >> >> I do not believe anyone is "denying the problem". It takes time to >> evaluate REAL problems, I hope you understand this. Toyota has >> addressed the problem and IS taking corrective action. The numbers of >> problems as opposed to the number of vehicles operating is >> verrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry small. In fact better than space, NASA >> requirements. It's been blown, thanks the the current administration >> and their beholden to unions, way out of proportion. > > You you really believe this? I agree the problem has been greatly > exaggerated by the press. However, apparently the problems are real. And > Toyota was warned about these problems at least 3 years ago. Instead of > investigating the problems, Toyota pulled their usual BS, denied the > problem and tried to shift blame (initially to the Customers, then > suppliers). Unfortunately this is standard operating procedure for > Toyota. They have tried to lie their way out of numerous defects (ball > joints, frame, suspensions, etc.). I just saw on CBS News that the CEO > of Toyota is now claiming that Customers are number 1 at Toyota. Maybe > he means it this time, but Toyota's history suggest what he really means > is "our Customers are the number 1 suckers and our number 1 goal is > getting as much of their money as we can." > > Ed then why are there so may of them on the road? There must be a reason why all those customers buy a Toyota.
From: Steve Austin on 6 Feb 2010 07:33 Hachiroku ハチロク wrote: > Mitsubishi has made some BAD cars, and their line of large trucks have had > the most recalls. > > That said, I'd still buy a 3000GT... > Good luck finding parts for a 3000GT.
From: Mike Hunter on 6 Feb 2010 12:06
(Cross postings deleted, automatically) Perhaps, but I guess we can assume you did not own a Toyota back in the day, if you believe their cars were "Better" back then, right? The fact is TODAY there are plenty of domestic that are rated as good or better than Toyotas as well as plenty of domestic that get fuel mileage that is as good or better than comparable Toyotas. You can check the EPA CAFE figures on line fir yourself. NONE of the domestic have 5.4 million of their cars being recalled, all around the world TODAY either. ;) "dbu''" <nospam(a)nobama.com.invalid> wrote in message news:GdmdncxlDLi_TvHWnZ2dnUVZ_vGdnZ2d(a)giganews.com... > In article <v5epm55mb9r21vpcvkjo8p7mhs3p9hfa7v(a)4ax.com>, > Vic Smith <thismailautodeleted(a)comcast.net> wrote: > >> On Fri, 05 Feb 2010 18:15:00 -0600, dbu'' <nospam(a)nobama.com.invalid> >> wrote: >> >> >> > >> >In Japanese culture this is very humiliating. They will work very hard >> >to repair their reputation, unlike American car companies. I can tell >> >you about my experience with the "big three". I won't go back. Fool me >> >once shame on you, but fool me many times shame on me numerous times!!! >> >> >> >> Let's not forget the kamikaze element of Japanese culture. >> That's probably what the Lexus driver experienced. >> >> --Vic > > Remember the Audi? > > I know you all American, live in the past freaks hate Toyota, because > they bested the great American dream, but face up, buck up, they, Toyota > has been and will be the premier auto mfg now and in the future. They > innovate and stick by their consumers. I am living proof. The big > three let me down numerous times, until the last time. Now I am not one > of their kling-on's. Color me gone. > -- > |