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From: JoeSpareBedroom on 29 Mar 2010 10:16 "C. E. White" <cewhite3(a)mindspring.com> wrote in message news:hoq485$mdt$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > > "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote in message > news:y9Srn.172819$wr5.29546(a)newsfe22.iad... >> What percentage of Toyota parts are sourced from a communist >> dictatorship? Show your source when you respond. > > I doubt Mike or anyone else outside of Toyota knows that. I am sure some > are. Toyota is definitely doing buisness in China. They have set up > several joint ventures there to manufacture parts. Here are some > references: Thanks for the info, but facts don't matter when Hunter makes statements.
From: Bob Cooper on 29 Mar 2010 10:17 In article <N62dnVXD-rnYMC3WnZ2dnUVZ_qednZ2d(a)speakeasy.net>, me(a)privacy.net says... > > On 03/29/2010 03:24 AM, Bob Cooper wrote: > > In article<mJqdncSZnqMmhy3WnZ2dnUVZ_tgAAAAA(a)speakeasy.net>, > > me(a)privacy.net says... > >> > >> On 03/28/2010 07:20 PM, Bob Cooper wrote: > >>> In article<jOWdnfKCEJsuYTLWnZ2dnUVZ_gmdnZ2d(a)giganews.com>, > >>> n5hsr(a)sprynet.com says... > >>>> > >>>> "hls"<hls(a)nospam.nix> wrote in message > >>>> news:0uudncQpRJf3bzLWnZ2dnUVZ_rCdnZ2d(a)giganews.com... > >>>>> > >>>>> "C. E. White"<cewhite3remove(a)mindspring.com> wrote in message > >>>>> news:G96dnVfJfLXoWTLWnZ2dnUVZ_sCdnZ2d(a)earthlink.com... > >>>>>> http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/403/nummi > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I listened to this yesterday. Very pro-Toyota and anti-GM. Completely one > >>>>>> sided since the only GM people they interviewed were connected to NUMI. > >>>>>> Most seemed bitter. I think they greatly over simplified the story in > >>>>>> order to praise Toyota. It really made the UAW look bad. Typical NPR > >>>>>> stuff., but still it was interesting. > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> When I first read about NUMMI, it seemed that Toyota got into this > >>>>> thing as an accomodation to GM. When GM folded, there was no > >>>>> reason to continue, this most expensive manufacturing site in America. > >>>>> > >>>>> I could be wrong. If GM had no alternative, then neither did Toyota. > >>>> > >>>> I had hoped that GM would learn why Toyota was able to sell its Corolla from > >>>> NUMMI (I'm driving one) for $1000 or so more than the Geo Prism that came > >>>> down the same line and was worked on by the same workers. They didn't. > >>>> > >>>> Charles Grozny > >>> > >>> A relative has had a Prism for many years. Good car. > >>> I had hoped that consumers would learn not to pay $1000 more for the > >>> Corolla. They didn't. > >>> Resale is better for the Toyota if sold still young. > >>> But when you get north of 100k miles it starts turning into a net loser > >>> on that score. > >> > >> eh? how do you figure that? year for year, any year, what is the > >> resale value of the prism vs the corolla? > > > > You can run numbers on kbb.com. > > Believe the numbers or not. But many private buyers/sellers use kbb to > > set the starting bargaining price for a used car. > > Bottom line is once a car is +10 years old and +100k miles the kbb > > resale value difference for Corollas and Prizms begins to merge, > > going below the $1000 initial Corolla premium mentioned. > > So if you intend to drive your car beyond those years/miles The Corolla > > offers no advantage. Unless you just need the Corolla label for > > personal reasons. > > Buying a 5 year old Corolla instead of a Prizm was always a sucker play. > > And according to my relative she saved close to $2000 buying the Prizm > > over the Corolla when she bought it new. But I don't know the truth, > > what rebates, etc were offered. > > People often lie about cars, even relatives. > > I do know it's a '95 Geo Prizm and last time I drove it it had about > > 150k miles and ran and drove well. She takes it to a Toyota dealer for > > maintenance. > > > > iow, you won't answer the simple question i asked... You slow? First sentence in my reply. Or just make up some numbers of your own. You're pretty good at making stuff up.
From: JoeSpareBedroom on 29 Mar 2010 11:15 "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message news:-Z6dnd8s2NQ2mi3WnZ2dnUVZ_rYAAAAA(a)giganews.com... >> i doubt they said that japan is an ally and that china is not. or that >> american taxpayer support of companies that export their business and >> jobs to a country that completely disrespects human rights, democracy or >> intellectual property is nothing short of fraud. > > The alternative is to let poor people in China stay poor. > > JEff As long as China is a communist dictatorship, which it is, the Chinese will always be poor, and it's got NOTHING to do with how much money they have.
From: C. E. White on 29 Mar 2010 11:30 "jim beam" <me(a)privacy.net> wrote in message news:N62dnVrD-rmWMC3WnZ2dnUVZ_qcAAAAA(a)speakeasy.net... >>> did they mention the fact that g.m. exports its jobs to, and >>> imports >>> componentry from china? or did they simply point out that toyota >>> creates american jobs and buys their componentry from american >>> manufacturers? >> >> As I have pointed out to you several times, if your goal is to buy >> the >> products with the most domestic content, then GM is who you would >> buy >> from. > > depends if you're making that decision on the facts or from numbers > from ed's fantasy world where "statistics" are "weighted" so they > suit your political agenda. > >> Toyota also build vehicles and components in China, just like GM, >> only >> more so. > > except that gm chinese components are destined for the american > market. toyota chinese components are destined for the chinese > market. and toyota doesn't use american taxpayer dollars to export > jobs to china. > >> You are an uber-hypocrite - protecting a foreign manufacturer while >> trashing GM by complaining that they are buying some components >> from >> China. > > hey ed - what part of "gm are using taxpayer dollars to buy > components from china for the american market and export jobs" don't > you understand? toyota does neither. Toyota took advantage of the cash for clunkers program and the hybrid car rebates to sell cars in the US. Many of the cars have no domestic content (for instance, the Prius). Various US state and local government have provided tax and other incentives (including cash) to Toyota to attract manufacturing plants. Aren't these cases of Toyota using US taxpayer money? And while in many cases the US Toyota plants do generate new jobs, aren't they counter-balanced by jobs loses at GM plants? How many US jobs were lost becasue Toyota decided to shut down the NUMMI plant? If Toyota was so interested in creating US jobs, wouldn' they have kept that plant going? > > If you want to be a free-trade advocate and say we should turn >> the US car industry over to the Japanese because they are better at >> it, then I can understand that point. What I can't understand is >> this >> idea that you think it is OK to turn the US car industry over to >> Toyota while blasting GM for doing exactly the same sorts of things >> that Toyota does. > > but toyota are not ed. you simply refusing to acknowledge the facts > doesn't make it so either. And you know this how? It is illogical to think that Toyota and Denso have set up factories and joint ventures all over China and that they aren't taking advantage of these low cost suppliers. >>> i doubt they said that japan is an ally and that china is not. or >>> that american taxpayer support of companies that export their >>> business and jobs to a country that completely disrespects human >>> rights, democracy or intellectual property is nothing short of >>> fraud. >> >> You should read about how Toyota treats "guest workers" or how they >> exploit labor in places like Thailand. > > oh, ed, you're such a tard. china kills pro-democracy advocates as > a matter of course. it slaughters "dissidents" in tibet. it steals > our intellectual property. it hacks our military and trade > department computer networks. it even buys influence in american > politics to the extent that shills like you will stand up and bleat > to have our jobs exported there at taxpayer expense. I am not trying to defend the Chinese. Most of the negative things you say about the Chinese government (as opposed to individual workers) is true. I'd rather we not do buisness with the Chinese. I am just pointing out that you are a huge hyporite for attacking GM and ignoring Toyota when it is certain that they are doing exactly the same sorts of things when it comes to purchasing componets form the lowest cost suppliers, including Chinese suppliers. Even if Toyota doesn't import a single componet from China (which is not possible) then they are still working with the Chinese and creating jobs in China and building induistries in China that will eventually compete with the rest of the world. Damn the difference between what GM is doing in China and what Toyota is doing in China. Your attempts to igonore this tells me you don't really care about GM sourcing parts in China, it is just an issue you have siezed on in an effort to tar GM. You hate GM and are just looking for reason to spread the hate. Just stop using attacks on me as a medium for spreading your hate of GM. If you want to attack GM, open a separate thread in the GM group and quit trying to use a defense of Toyota as a means of launching your attacks on GM. Defend Toyota based on the facts related to Toytoa. Don't defend Toyota by saying I hate GM, so Toyota must be good. ....... > lot's of things don't make sense to you ed. Granted. For certain you make no sense to me. It makes no sense that you defend Toyota while attacking GM over the doemstic content issue. No matter how your want to look at things, GM still has a much higher average domestic content than Toyota and employs far more American workers than Toyota. My assumption is that you were in some way injured by GM and that your hate of GM is preventing you from seeing the illogic of your attacks. Ed
From: Bill Putney on 29 Mar 2010 20:44
Not sure how this would relate to the current subject, but don't forget the $8 billion that Jesse Jackson blackmailed out of Toyota in 2001. -- Bill Putney (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my address with the letter 'x') |