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From: hls on 28 Mar 2010 20:20 "C. E. White" <cewhite3remove(a)mindspring.com> wrote in message news:G96dnVfJfLXoWTLWnZ2dnUVZ_sCdnZ2d(a)earthlink.com... > http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/403/nummi > > I listened to this yesterday. Very pro-Toyota and anti-GM. Completely one > sided since the only GM people they interviewed were connected to NUMI. > Most seemed bitter. I think they greatly over simplified the story in > order to praise Toyota. It really made the UAW look bad. Typical NPR > stuff., but still it was interesting. > When I first read about NUMMI, it seemed that Toyota got into this thing as an accomodation to GM. When GM folded, there was no reason to continue, this most expensive manufacturing site in America. I could be wrong. If GM had no alternative, then neither did Toyota.
From: charlesgrozny on 28 Mar 2010 21:04 "hls" <hls(a)nospam.nix> wrote in message news:0uudncQpRJf3bzLWnZ2dnUVZ_rCdnZ2d(a)giganews.com... > > "C. E. White" <cewhite3remove(a)mindspring.com> wrote in message > news:G96dnVfJfLXoWTLWnZ2dnUVZ_sCdnZ2d(a)earthlink.com... >> http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/403/nummi >> >> I listened to this yesterday. Very pro-Toyota and anti-GM. Completely one >> sided since the only GM people they interviewed were connected to NUMI. >> Most seemed bitter. I think they greatly over simplified the story in >> order to praise Toyota. It really made the UAW look bad. Typical NPR >> stuff., but still it was interesting. >> > > When I first read about NUMMI, it seemed that Toyota got into this > thing as an accomodation to GM. When GM folded, there was no > reason to continue, this most expensive manufacturing site in America. > > I could be wrong. If GM had no alternative, then neither did Toyota. I had hoped that GM would learn why Toyota was able to sell its Corolla from NUMMI (I'm driving one) for $1000 or so more than the Geo Prism that came down the same line and was worked on by the same workers. They didn't. Charles Grozny
From: dr_jeff on 28 Mar 2010 21:51 jim beam wrote: > On 03/28/2010 02:04 PM, C. E. White wrote: >> http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/403/nummi >> >> I listened to this yesterday. Very pro-Toyota and anti-GM. Completely >> one sided since the only GM people they interviewed were connected to >> NUMI. Most seemed bitter. I think they greatly over simplified the story >> in order to praise Toyota. It really made the UAW look bad. Typical NPR >> stuff., but still it was interesting. >> >> > > did they mention the fact that g.m. exports its jobs to, and imports > componentry from china? What components and how much does it import from China? Does GM have Chinese partners who, together, make cars for the Chinese market, thereby moving GM into a new market? > or did they simply point out that toyota > creates american jobs and buys their componentry from american > manufacturers? Toyota does import many of its parts (more than the Michigan 3). > i doubt they said that japan is an ally and that china > is not. or that american taxpayer support of companies that export > their business and jobs to a country that completely disrespects human > rights, democracy or intellectual property is nothing short of fraud. The alternative is to let poor people in China stay poor. JEff > you're perpetrating a fraud ed. you should hang your head in shame. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shill > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroturfer > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraudience > >
From: Bob Cooper on 28 Mar 2010 22:20 In article <jOWdnfKCEJsuYTLWnZ2dnUVZ_gmdnZ2d(a)giganews.com>, n5hsr(a)sprynet.com says... > > "hls" <hls(a)nospam.nix> wrote in message > news:0uudncQpRJf3bzLWnZ2dnUVZ_rCdnZ2d(a)giganews.com... > > > > "C. E. White" <cewhite3remove(a)mindspring.com> wrote in message > > news:G96dnVfJfLXoWTLWnZ2dnUVZ_sCdnZ2d(a)earthlink.com... > >> http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/403/nummi > >> > >> I listened to this yesterday. Very pro-Toyota and anti-GM. Completely one > >> sided since the only GM people they interviewed were connected to NUMI. > >> Most seemed bitter. I think they greatly over simplified the story in > >> order to praise Toyota. It really made the UAW look bad. Typical NPR > >> stuff., but still it was interesting. > >> > > > > When I first read about NUMMI, it seemed that Toyota got into this > > thing as an accomodation to GM. When GM folded, there was no > > reason to continue, this most expensive manufacturing site in America. > > > > I could be wrong. If GM had no alternative, then neither did Toyota. > > I had hoped that GM would learn why Toyota was able to sell its Corolla from > NUMMI (I'm driving one) for $1000 or so more than the Geo Prism that came > down the same line and was worked on by the same workers. They didn't. > > Charles Grozny A relative has had a Prism for many years. Good car. I had hoped that consumers would learn not to pay $1000 more for the Corolla. They didn't. Resale is better for the Toyota if sold still young. But when you get north of 100k miles it starts turning into a net loser on that score.
From: jim beam on 28 Mar 2010 23:10
On 03/28/2010 06:51 PM, dr_jeff wrote: > jim beam wrote: >> On 03/28/2010 02:04 PM, C. E. White wrote: >>> http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/403/nummi >>> >>> I listened to this yesterday. Very pro-Toyota and anti-GM. Completely >>> one sided since the only GM people they interviewed were connected to >>> NUMI. Most seemed bitter. I think they greatly over simplified the story >>> in order to praise Toyota. It really made the UAW look bad. Typical NPR >>> stuff., but still it was interesting. >>> >>> >> >> did they mention the fact that g.m. exports its jobs to, and imports >> componentry from china? > > What components and how much does it import from China? Does GM have > Chinese partners who, together, make cars for the Chinese market, > thereby moving GM into a new market? gm has considerable manufacturing capacity in china. and it makes and sells vehicles there for that market. but it also uses that capacity to make things like seats, drive shafts, brakes, wiring looms, computers and instrumentation for our market. taxpayers supporting those operations is utterly ridiculous when millions of americans are out of work. > >> or did they simply point out that toyota creates american jobs and >> buys their componentry from american manufacturers? > > Toyota does import many of its parts (more than the Michigan 3). sadly, it doesn't. camry for instance is 80% locally sourced. that's better than typical gm. > >> i doubt they said that japan is an ally and that china is not. or that >> american taxpayer support of companies that export their business and >> jobs to a country that completely disrespects human rights, democracy >> or intellectual property is nothing short of fraud. > > The alternative is to let poor people in China stay poor. chinese peasants staying poor, as they have for millennia under assorted despots and tyrants, is a damned sight more tolerable to me than watching americans /become/ poor because their jobs have been shipped to a country that also steals their intellectual property and money. > > JEff > >> you're perpetrating a fraud ed. you should hang your head in shame. >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shill >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroturfer >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraudience >> >> -- nomina rutrum rutrum |