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From: dr_jeff on 29 Mar 2010 09:03 C. E. White wrote: > "jim beam" <me(a)privacy.net> wrote in message > news:Fo-dnVpSIp1PdjLWnZ2dnUVZ_q-dnZ2d(a)speakeasy.net... >> On 03/28/2010 02:04 PM, C. E. White wrote: >>> http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/403/nummi >>> >>> I listened to this yesterday. Very pro-Toyota and anti-GM. >>> Completely >>> one sided since the only GM people they interviewed were connected >>> to >>> NUMI. Most seemed bitter. I think they greatly over simplified the >>> story >>> in order to praise Toyota. It really made the UAW look bad. Typical >>> NPR >>> stuff., but still it was interesting. >>> >>> >> did they mention the fact that g.m. exports its jobs to, and imports >> componentry from china? or did they simply point out that toyota >> creates american jobs and buys their componentry from american >> manufacturers? > > As I have pointed out to you several times, if your goal is to buy the > products with the most domestic content, then GM is who you would buy > from. Depends on the car. The Chevy Aveo is built in Korea. The Toyota Sienna is built in the US and has something like 85% US content. If American-made is a major criteria, then you have to go by the particular model. > Toyota also build vehicles and components in China, just like GM, only > more so. What percent of cars built in Japan by Toyota for the US are Chinese? How about cars built by Toyota in the US? > You are an uber-hypocrite - protecting a foreign manufacturer while > trashing GM by complaining that they are buying some components from > China. If you want to be a free-trade advocate and say we should turn > the US car industry over to the Japanese because they are better at > it, then I can understand that point. What I can't understand is this > idea that you think it is OK to turn the US car industry over to > Toyota while blasting GM for doing exactly the same sorts of things > that Toyota does. > > >> i doubt they said that japan is an ally and that china is not. or >> that american taxpayer support of companies that export their >> business and jobs to a country that completely disrespects human >> rights, democracy or intellectual property is nothing short of >> fraud. > > You should read about how Toyota treats "guest workers" or how they > exploit labor in places like Thailand. Toyota has a long history of > oppressing workers outside of the "home" factories. Toyota loves to > show you pictures of the shiny main assembly palnts in US and Japan. > They never show you pictures of the sweat shops they operate through > subsiduaries. GM just wants to get on the Toyota bandwagon. > >> nomina rutrum rutrum > Name little shovel litte shovel...ha ha.....it makes no sense. > > Ed > >
From: jim beam on 29 Mar 2010 09:37 On 03/29/2010 05:28 AM, C. E. White wrote: > "jim beam"<me(a)privacy.net> wrote in message > news:Fo-dnVpSIp1PdjLWnZ2dnUVZ_q-dnZ2d(a)speakeasy.net... >> On 03/28/2010 02:04 PM, C. E. White wrote: >>> http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/403/nummi >>> >>> I listened to this yesterday. Very pro-Toyota and anti-GM. >>> Completely >>> one sided since the only GM people they interviewed were connected >>> to >>> NUMI. Most seemed bitter. I think they greatly over simplified the >>> story >>> in order to praise Toyota. It really made the UAW look bad. Typical >>> NPR >>> stuff., but still it was interesting. >>> >>> >> >> did they mention the fact that g.m. exports its jobs to, and imports >> componentry from china? or did they simply point out that toyota >> creates american jobs and buys their componentry from american >> manufacturers? > > As I have pointed out to you several times, if your goal is to buy the > products with the most domestic content, then GM is who you would buy > from. depends if you're making that decision on the facts or from numbers from ed's fantasy world where "statistics" are "weighted" so they suit your political agenda. > > > > Toyota also build vehicles and components in China, just like GM, only > more so. except that gm chinese components are destined for the american market. toyota chinese components are destined for the chinese market. and toyota doesn't use american taxpayer dollars to export jobs to china. > > > > You are an uber-hypocrite - protecting a foreign manufacturer while > trashing GM by complaining that they are buying some components from > China. hey ed - what part of "gm are using taxpayer dollars to buy components from china for the american market and export jobs" don't you understand? toyota does neither. > If you want to be a free-trade advocate and say we should turn > the US car industry over to the Japanese because they are better at > it, then I can understand that point. What I can't understand is this > idea that you think it is OK to turn the US car industry over to > Toyota while blasting GM for doing exactly the same sorts of things > that Toyota does. but toyota are not ed. you simply refusing to acknowledge the facts doesn't make it so either. > > >> i doubt they said that japan is an ally and that china is not. or >> that american taxpayer support of companies that export their >> business and jobs to a country that completely disrespects human >> rights, democracy or intellectual property is nothing short of >> fraud. > > You should read about how Toyota treats "guest workers" or how they > exploit labor in places like Thailand. oh, ed, you're such a tard. china kills pro-democracy advocates as a matter of course. it slaughters "dissidents" in tibet. it steals our intellectual property. it hacks our military and trade department computer networks. it even buys influence in american politics to the extent that shills like you will stand up and bleat to have our jobs exported there at taxpayer expense. > Toyota has a long history of > oppressing workers outside of the "home" factories. Toyota loves to > show you pictures of the shiny main assembly palnts in US and Japan. > They never show you pictures of the sweat shops they operate through > subsiduaries. GM just wants to get on the Toyota bandwagon. your a retarded bullshitter ed. and the horse your backing is a trojan one that's killing america. > >> nomina rutrum rutrum > Name little shovel litte shovel...ha ha.....it makes no sense. lot's of things don't make sense to you ed. > > Ed > > -- nomina rutrum rutrum
From: jim beam on 29 Mar 2010 09:38 On 03/29/2010 03:24 AM, Bob Cooper wrote: > In article<mJqdncSZnqMmhy3WnZ2dnUVZ_tgAAAAA(a)speakeasy.net>, > me(a)privacy.net says... >> >> On 03/28/2010 07:20 PM, Bob Cooper wrote: >>> In article<jOWdnfKCEJsuYTLWnZ2dnUVZ_gmdnZ2d(a)giganews.com>, >>> n5hsr(a)sprynet.com says... >>>> >>>> "hls"<hls(a)nospam.nix> wrote in message >>>> news:0uudncQpRJf3bzLWnZ2dnUVZ_rCdnZ2d(a)giganews.com... >>>>> >>>>> "C. E. White"<cewhite3remove(a)mindspring.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:G96dnVfJfLXoWTLWnZ2dnUVZ_sCdnZ2d(a)earthlink.com... >>>>>> http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/403/nummi >>>>>> >>>>>> I listened to this yesterday. Very pro-Toyota and anti-GM. Completely one >>>>>> sided since the only GM people they interviewed were connected to NUMI. >>>>>> Most seemed bitter. I think they greatly over simplified the story in >>>>>> order to praise Toyota. It really made the UAW look bad. Typical NPR >>>>>> stuff., but still it was interesting. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> When I first read about NUMMI, it seemed that Toyota got into this >>>>> thing as an accomodation to GM. When GM folded, there was no >>>>> reason to continue, this most expensive manufacturing site in America. >>>>> >>>>> I could be wrong. If GM had no alternative, then neither did Toyota. >>>> >>>> I had hoped that GM would learn why Toyota was able to sell its Corolla from >>>> NUMMI (I'm driving one) for $1000 or so more than the Geo Prism that came >>>> down the same line and was worked on by the same workers. They didn't. >>>> >>>> Charles Grozny >>> >>> A relative has had a Prism for many years. Good car. >>> I had hoped that consumers would learn not to pay $1000 more for the >>> Corolla. They didn't. >>> Resale is better for the Toyota if sold still young. >>> But when you get north of 100k miles it starts turning into a net loser >>> on that score. >> >> eh? how do you figure that? year for year, any year, what is the >> resale value of the prism vs the corolla? > > You can run numbers on kbb.com. > Believe the numbers or not. But many private buyers/sellers use kbb to > set the starting bargaining price for a used car. > Bottom line is once a car is +10 years old and +100k miles the kbb > resale value difference for Corollas and Prizms begins to merge, > going below the $1000 initial Corolla premium mentioned. > So if you intend to drive your car beyond those years/miles The Corolla > offers no advantage. Unless you just need the Corolla label for > personal reasons. > Buying a 5 year old Corolla instead of a Prizm was always a sucker play. > And according to my relative she saved close to $2000 buying the Prizm > over the Corolla when she bought it new. But I don't know the truth, > what rebates, etc were offered. > People often lie about cars, even relatives. > I do know it's a '95 Geo Prizm and last time I drove it it had about > 150k miles and ran and drove well. She takes it to a Toyota dealer for > maintenance. > iow, you won't answer the simple question i asked... -- nomina rutrum rutrum
From: jim beam on 29 Mar 2010 09:43 On 03/29/2010 06:03 AM, dr_jeff wrote: > C. E. White wrote: >> "jim beam" <me(a)privacy.net> wrote in message >> news:Fo-dnVpSIp1PdjLWnZ2dnUVZ_q-dnZ2d(a)speakeasy.net... >>> On 03/28/2010 02:04 PM, C. E. White wrote: >>>> http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/403/nummi >>>> >>>> I listened to this yesterday. Very pro-Toyota and anti-GM. Completely >>>> one sided since the only GM people they interviewed were connected to >>>> NUMI. Most seemed bitter. I think they greatly over simplified the >>>> story >>>> in order to praise Toyota. It really made the UAW look bad. Typical NPR >>>> stuff., but still it was interesting. >>>> >>>> >>> did they mention the fact that g.m. exports its jobs to, and imports >>> componentry from china? or did they simply point out that toyota >>> creates american jobs and buys their componentry from american >>> manufacturers? >> >> As I have pointed out to you several times, if your goal is to buy the >> products with the most domestic content, then GM is who you would buy >> from. > > Depends on the car. > > The Chevy Aveo is built in Korea. The Toyota Sienna is built in the US > and has something like 85% US content. > > If American-made is a major criteria, then you have to go by the > particular model. don't point out facts to ed - they get in his way. > >> Toyota also build vehicles and components in China, just like GM, only >> more so. > > What percent of cars built in Japan by Toyota for the US are Chinese? > How about cars built by Toyota in the US? > >> You are an uber-hypocrite - protecting a foreign manufacturer while >> trashing GM by complaining that they are buying some components from >> China. If you want to be a free-trade advocate and say we should turn >> the US car industry over to the Japanese because they are better at >> it, then I can understand that point. What I can't understand is this >> idea that you think it is OK to turn the US car industry over to >> Toyota while blasting GM for doing exactly the same sorts of things >> that Toyota does. >> >> >>> i doubt they said that japan is an ally and that china is not. or >>> that american taxpayer support of companies that export their >>> business and jobs to a country that completely disrespects human >>> rights, democracy or intellectual property is nothing short of fraud. >> >> You should read about how Toyota treats "guest workers" or how they >> exploit labor in places like Thailand. Toyota has a long history of >> oppressing workers outside of the "home" factories. Toyota loves to >> show you pictures of the shiny main assembly palnts in US and Japan. >> They never show you pictures of the sweat shops they operate through >> subsiduaries. GM just wants to get on the Toyota bandwagon. >> >>> nomina rutrum rutrum >> Name little shovel litte shovel...ha ha.....it makes no sense. >> >> Ed >> -- nomina rutrum rutrum
From: jim beam on 29 Mar 2010 09:43
On 03/29/2010 03:04 AM, dr_jeff wrote: <snip> > > I disagree. You could have made the same argument for Korea 40 years > ago. Yet, S. Korea, where we important a lot from has done quite well. > N. Korea, from whom we important next to nothing is still dirt poor. what part of north korea being a belligerent that sells missile parts to other despots and south korea being an ally are you missing? -- nomina rutrum rutrum |