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From: JoeSpareBedroom on 16 Mar 2010 12:45 "Obveeus" <Obveeus(a)aol.com> wrote in message news:hnocbn$9t6$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > > "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote: > >> "Obveeus" <Obveeus(a)aol.com> wrote in message >>> Situation #1 results in pressing the 'park' button. >>> Situation #2 results in pressing the 'power' button. (off) >>> >> There's a park button? But others are saying drivers could've shifted >> into neutral in emergency situations. > > Having a 'park' button doesn't negate having a shifter than can be put in > neutral. I have been trying to help you to improve your trolling to a > level where it offers some level of logic and credibility, but I can't do > all the work for you. You still have to attempt to make sense. Do you own a Prius?
From: JoeSpareBedroom on 16 Mar 2010 14:52 "Scott in Florida" <MoveOn(a)Outa.here> wrote in message news:bckvp592s94uiaqv0ohha44kgr4me49ii7(a)4ax.com... > On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 22:37:16 -0400, "JoeSpareBedroom" > <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote: > >><Skeptic(a)MonopolyISP.edu> wrote in message >>news:pamtp5p4sga095f3tqvpif36ht42mjnq52(a)4ax.com... >>> Ed White <ce.white3(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>>Here is the sumary: >>> >>>>"4.0 Summary >>> >>> <snip> >>> >>>>o Brake pedal force in excess of 150 pounds was required to stop the >>>>vehicle, >>>>compared to 30 pounds required when the vehicle is operating normally. >>>>o ESC activation may restore vacuum to the brake booster, providing a >>>>significant >>>>increase in braking capability, but only until ESC activity ceases. >>> >>> What is ESC? "Escape" perhaps? >>> >>> As an aside I was looking up the web for the nearest Walgreens to send >>> some photos to and the closest one was "SEC of [Name of road], [town], >>> [Zip]. What's "SEC"? The only thing I know with those initials is the >>> Securities and Exchange Commission and I doubt they have offices in >>> the local Walgreens, nor even a branch at the address. I asked the >>> manager at the store. He didn't know either but said he'd ask the >>> district supervisor. Finally by checking up on all the Walgreens in >>> the area I worked out what it was: South East Corner. For the dirtbag >>> programmer/analyst/web designer with the bull neck, coke bottle >>> glasses, and the pizza stains on his shirt, it's probably obvious, >>> just not to all normal people. (If you get the idea I don't like >>> computer people you'd be right. I used to be in the business.) >> >> >>This is why the user interface should ALWAYS be reviewed by users, and if >>the programmer objects, he/she should be muzzled and locked in a closet. >> > > Obviously you have never managed a group of programmers... > > > -- > > Scott in Florida Actually, I have. Programmers should NEVER be in charge of designing the user interface. But many corporations don't feel like budgeting for requirements gathering and user testing.
From: JoeSpareBedroom on 16 Mar 2010 18:00 "Scott in Florida" <MoveOn(a)Outa.here> wrote in message news:hhvvp5d6b9td3vce33o92s617tbos7alao(a)4ax.com... > On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 14:52:39 -0400, "JoeSpareBedroom" > <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote: > >>"Scott in Florida" <MoveOn(a)Outa.here> wrote in message >>news:bckvp592s94uiaqv0ohha44kgr4me49ii7(a)4ax.com... >>> On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 22:37:16 -0400, "JoeSpareBedroom" >>> <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote: >>> >>>><Skeptic(a)MonopolyISP.edu> wrote in message >>>>news:pamtp5p4sga095f3tqvpif36ht42mjnq52(a)4ax.com... >>>>> Ed White <ce.white3(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>Here is the sumary: >>>>> >>>>>>"4.0 Summary >>>>> >>>>> <snip> >>>>> >>>>>>o Brake pedal force in excess of 150 pounds was required to stop the >>>>>>vehicle, >>>>>>compared to 30 pounds required when the vehicle is operating normally. >>>>>>o ESC activation may restore vacuum to the brake booster, providing a >>>>>>significant >>>>>>increase in braking capability, but only until ESC activity ceases. >>>>> >>>>> What is ESC? "Escape" perhaps? >>>>> >>>>> As an aside I was looking up the web for the nearest Walgreens to send >>>>> some photos to and the closest one was "SEC of [Name of road], [town], >>>>> [Zip]. What's "SEC"? The only thing I know with those initials is the >>>>> Securities and Exchange Commission and I doubt they have offices in >>>>> the local Walgreens, nor even a branch at the address. I asked the >>>>> manager at the store. He didn't know either but said he'd ask the >>>>> district supervisor. Finally by checking up on all the Walgreens in >>>>> the area I worked out what it was: South East Corner. For the dirtbag >>>>> programmer/analyst/web designer with the bull neck, coke bottle >>>>> glasses, and the pizza stains on his shirt, it's probably obvious, >>>>> just not to all normal people. (If you get the idea I don't like >>>>> computer people you'd be right. I used to be in the business.) >>>> >>>> >>>>This is why the user interface should ALWAYS be reviewed by users, and >>>>if >>>>the programmer objects, he/she should be muzzled and locked in a closet. >>>> >>> >>> Obviously you have never managed a group of programmers... >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Scott in Florida >> >> >>Actually, I have. Programmers should NEVER be in charge of designing the >>user interface. But many corporations don't feel like budgeting for >>requirements gathering and user testing. >> > > Well the difference between you and me (actually there are MANY) is that I > HAVE managed programmers (successfully) and I HAVE been to Taiwan. > > You will now move off the subject.... > > > -- > > Scott in Florida You have a reading disability. In my previous message, I taught you that I *did* manage programmers successfully. Among other things, that is defined as "Keeping them away from designing the user interface." It's not their job.
From: JoeSpareBedroom on 16 Mar 2010 18:23 "Scott in Florida" <MoveOn(a)Outa.here> wrote in message news:5v00q51munbdv05vs19ofomr0cgvvvu2p7(a)4ax.com... > On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 18:00:54 -0400, "JoeSpareBedroom" > <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote: > >>"Scott in Florida" <MoveOn(a)Outa.here> wrote in message >>news:hhvvp5d6b9td3vce33o92s617tbos7alao(a)4ax.com... >>> On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 14:52:39 -0400, "JoeSpareBedroom" >>> <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote: >>> >>>>"Scott in Florida" <MoveOn(a)Outa.here> wrote in message >>>>news:bckvp592s94uiaqv0ohha44kgr4me49ii7(a)4ax.com... >>>>> On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 22:37:16 -0400, "JoeSpareBedroom" >>>>> <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>><Skeptic(a)MonopolyISP.edu> wrote in message >>>>>>news:pamtp5p4sga095f3tqvpif36ht42mjnq52(a)4ax.com... >>>>>>> Ed White <ce.white3(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Here is the sumary: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>"4.0 Summary >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <snip> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>o Brake pedal force in excess of 150 pounds was required to stop the >>>>>>>>vehicle, >>>>>>>>compared to 30 pounds required when the vehicle is operating >>>>>>>>normally. >>>>>>>>o ESC activation may restore vacuum to the brake booster, providing >>>>>>>>a >>>>>>>>significant >>>>>>>>increase in braking capability, but only until ESC activity ceases. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What is ESC? "Escape" perhaps? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As an aside I was looking up the web for the nearest Walgreens to >>>>>>> send >>>>>>> some photos to and the closest one was "SEC of [Name of road], >>>>>>> [town], >>>>>>> [Zip]. What's "SEC"? The only thing I know with those initials is >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> Securities and Exchange Commission and I doubt they have offices in >>>>>>> the local Walgreens, nor even a branch at the address. I asked the >>>>>>> manager at the store. He didn't know either but said he'd ask the >>>>>>> district supervisor. Finally by checking up on all the Walgreens in >>>>>>> the area I worked out what it was: South East Corner. For the >>>>>>> dirtbag >>>>>>> programmer/analyst/web designer with the bull neck, coke bottle >>>>>>> glasses, and the pizza stains on his shirt, it's probably obvious, >>>>>>> just not to all normal people. (If you get the idea I don't like >>>>>>> computer people you'd be right. I used to be in the business.) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>This is why the user interface should ALWAYS be reviewed by users, and >>>>>>if >>>>>>the programmer objects, he/she should be muzzled and locked in a >>>>>>closet. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Obviously you have never managed a group of programmers... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> Scott in Florida >>>> >>>> >>>>Actually, I have. Programmers should NEVER be in charge of designing the >>>>user interface. But many corporations don't feel like budgeting for >>>>requirements gathering and user testing. >>>> >>> >>> Well the difference between you and me (actually there are MANY) is that >>> I >>> HAVE managed programmers (successfully) and I HAVE been to Taiwan. >>> >>> You will now move off the subject.... >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Scott in Florida >> >> >>You have a reading disability. In my previous message, I taught you that I >>*did* manage programmers successfully. Among other things, that is defined >>as "Keeping them away from designing the user interface." It's not their >>job. >> > > That is NOT what you said. > > Tell us again about your 'trip' to Taiwan..... > > > -- > > Scott in Florida Go back to sleep, grandpa.
From: JoeSpareBedroom on 16 Mar 2010 19:27
"Scott in Florida" <MoveOn(a)Outa.here> wrote in message news:uk40q55ja07n53h0c9bt84krqdbspcnk4b(a)4ax.com... > On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 18:23:49 -0400, "JoeSpareBedroom" > <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote: > >>"Scott in Florida" <MoveOn(a)Outa.here> wrote in message >>news:5v00q51munbdv05vs19ofomr0cgvvvu2p7(a)4ax.com... >>> On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 18:00:54 -0400, "JoeSpareBedroom" >>> <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote: >>> >>>>"Scott in Florida" <MoveOn(a)Outa.here> wrote in message >>>>news:hhvvp5d6b9td3vce33o92s617tbos7alao(a)4ax.com... >>>>> On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 14:52:39 -0400, "JoeSpareBedroom" >>>>> <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>"Scott in Florida" <MoveOn(a)Outa.here> wrote in message >>>>>>news:bckvp592s94uiaqv0ohha44kgr4me49ii7(a)4ax.com... >>>>>>> On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 22:37:16 -0400, "JoeSpareBedroom" >>>>>>> <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>><Skeptic(a)MonopolyISP.edu> wrote in message >>>>>>>>news:pamtp5p4sga095f3tqvpif36ht42mjnq52(a)4ax.com... >>>>>>>>> Ed White <ce.white3(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Here is the sumary: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>"4.0 Summary >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> <snip> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>o Brake pedal force in excess of 150 pounds was required to stop >>>>>>>>>>the >>>>>>>>>>vehicle, >>>>>>>>>>compared to 30 pounds required when the vehicle is operating >>>>>>>>>>normally. >>>>>>>>>>o ESC activation may restore vacuum to the brake booster, >>>>>>>>>>providing >>>>>>>>>>a >>>>>>>>>>significant >>>>>>>>>>increase in braking capability, but only until ESC activity >>>>>>>>>>ceases. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> What is ESC? "Escape" perhaps? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> As an aside I was looking up the web for the nearest Walgreens to >>>>>>>>> send >>>>>>>>> some photos to and the closest one was "SEC of [Name of road], >>>>>>>>> [town], >>>>>>>>> [Zip]. What's "SEC"? The only thing I know with those initials is >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> Securities and Exchange Commission and I doubt they have offices >>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>> the local Walgreens, nor even a branch at the address. I asked the >>>>>>>>> manager at the store. He didn't know either but said he'd ask the >>>>>>>>> district supervisor. Finally by checking up on all the Walgreens >>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>> the area I worked out what it was: South East Corner. For the >>>>>>>>> dirtbag >>>>>>>>> programmer/analyst/web designer with the bull neck, coke bottle >>>>>>>>> glasses, and the pizza stains on his shirt, it's probably obvious, >>>>>>>>> just not to all normal people. (If you get the idea I don't like >>>>>>>>> computer people you'd be right. I used to be in the business.) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>This is why the user interface should ALWAYS be reviewed by users, >>>>>>>>and >>>>>>>>if >>>>>>>>the programmer objects, he/she should be muzzled and locked in a >>>>>>>>closet. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Obviously you have never managed a group of programmers... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Scott in Florida >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Actually, I have. Programmers should NEVER be in charge of designing >>>>>>the >>>>>>user interface. But many corporations don't feel like budgeting for >>>>>>requirements gathering and user testing. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Well the difference between you and me (actually there are MANY) is >>>>> that >>>>> I >>>>> HAVE managed programmers (successfully) and I HAVE been to Taiwan. >>>>> >>>>> You will now move off the subject.... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> Scott in Florida >>>> >>>> >>>>You have a reading disability. In my previous message, I taught you that >>>>I >>>>*did* manage programmers successfully. Among other things, that is >>>>defined >>>>as "Keeping them away from designing the user interface." It's not their >>>>job. >>>> >>> >>> That is NOT what you said. >>> >>> Tell us again about your 'trip' to Taiwan..... >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Scott in Florida >> >> >>Go back to sleep, grandpa. >> > > game set match...again.... > > > -- > > Scott in Florida You've never managed a hot dog wagon, pops. Fugettabout programmers. |