NHTSA Report from 2008 on Lexus ES350 UA
in [Toyota]
|
From: JoeSpareBedroom on 16 Mar 2010 09:22 "Obveeus" <Obveeus(a)aol.com> wrote in message news:hno0cn$719$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > > "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote in message > news:ZsLnn.76005$wr5.67692(a)newsfe22.iad... >> "Obveeus" <Obveeus(a)aol.com> wrote in message >> news:hnnvfe$2qm$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>> >>> "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote in message >>> news:F4Lnn.75999$wr5.45038(a)newsfe22.iad... >>>> "Obveeus" <Obveeus(a)aol.com> wrote in message >>>> news:hnnu6j$s0d$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>>>> >>>>> "C. E. White" <cewhite3remove(a)mindspring.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I read that Toyota was going to implement an alternate strategy that >>>>>> would shut down the engine if the button was pushed multiple times >>>>>> over a short period (this would be in addition to the original "push >>>>>> it for 3 sec" shut down mode). The feeling is that this is what some >>>>>> one might do in a panic situation - partucalurly some one not familar >>>>>> with the car (or someone wo didn't bother to read the manual). >>>>> >>>>> That sort of additional 'off method' would be a good idea. >>>> >>>> Don't Prius owners have to push the magic "off" button when they arrive >>>> at their destination, or do those cars just sorta sense when the trip's >>>> over and shut themselves off? >>> >>> Presumably, that event occurs with the car in stopped (maybe even after >>> they have pressed the park button), so they don't need to hold the 'off' >>> power button down for 3 seconds. >> >> Presumably. The life blood of newsgroups. > > I could have used the word 'obviously' or 'logically' as well since both > would fit for anyone honestly trying to understand the situation. > > In any case, it makes infinitely more sense than 'presuming' that people > know how to use a feature that they have never had to use before > (emergency shutoff method of a runaway vehicle) and 'presuming' that they > will remember to do it while in a panic situation. > Other than "the trip is over", there are other situations where one might stop and put the car in park. Why program the car to shut off in those situations, in the exact same way it would shut off when the trip is, in fact, over?
From: Obveeus on 16 Mar 2010 09:33 "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote: > "Obveeus" <Obveeus(a)aol.com> wrote in message > news:hno0cn$719$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >> >> "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote in message >> news:ZsLnn.76005$wr5.67692(a)newsfe22.iad... >>> "Obveeus" <Obveeus(a)aol.com> wrote in message >>> news:hnnvfe$2qm$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>>> >>>> "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote in message >>>> news:F4Lnn.75999$wr5.45038(a)newsfe22.iad... >>>>> "Obveeus" <Obveeus(a)aol.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:hnnu6j$s0d$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>>>>> >>>>>> "C. E. White" <cewhite3remove(a)mindspring.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I read that Toyota was going to implement an alternate strategy that >>>>>>> would shut down the engine if the button was pushed multiple times >>>>>>> over a short period (this would be in addition to the original "push >>>>>>> it for 3 sec" shut down mode). The feeling is that this is what some >>>>>>> one might do in a panic situation - partucalurly some one not >>>>>>> familar with the car (or someone wo didn't bother to read the >>>>>>> manual). >>>>>> >>>>>> That sort of additional 'off method' would be a good idea. >>>>> >>>>> Don't Prius owners have to push the magic "off" button when they >>>>> arrive at their destination, or do those cars just sorta sense when >>>>> the trip's over and shut themselves off? >>>> >>>> Presumably, that event occurs with the car in stopped (maybe even after >>>> they have pressed the park button), so they don't need to hold the >>>> 'off' power button down for 3 seconds. >>> >>> Presumably. The life blood of newsgroups. >> >> I could have used the word 'obviously' or 'logically' as well since both >> would fit for anyone honestly trying to understand the situation. >> >> In any case, it makes infinitely more sense than 'presuming' that people >> know how to use a feature that they have never had to use before >> (emergency shutoff method of a runaway vehicle) and 'presuming' that they >> will remember to do it while in a panic situation. > > Other than "the trip is over", there are other situations where one might > stop and put the car in park. Why program the car to shut off in those > situations, in the exact same way it would shut off when the trip is, in > fact, over? You do know that there is a difference between 'park' and 'off', right? Your question above suggests that you need to look at how the Prius is operated at least a little bit. You are the guy making fun of people for not reading manuals, right?
From: JoeSpareBedroom on 16 Mar 2010 09:46 "Obveeus" <Obveeus(a)aol.com> wrote in message news:hno1ag$ca0$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > > "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote: > >> "Obveeus" <Obveeus(a)aol.com> wrote in message >> news:hno0cn$719$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>> >>> "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote in message >>> news:ZsLnn.76005$wr5.67692(a)newsfe22.iad... >>>> "Obveeus" <Obveeus(a)aol.com> wrote in message >>>> news:hnnvfe$2qm$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>>>> >>>>> "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote in message >>>>> news:F4Lnn.75999$wr5.45038(a)newsfe22.iad... >>>>>> "Obveeus" <Obveeus(a)aol.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:hnnu6j$s0d$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "C. E. White" <cewhite3remove(a)mindspring.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I read that Toyota was going to implement an alternate strategy >>>>>>>> that would shut down the engine if the button was pushed multiple >>>>>>>> times over a short period (this would be in addition to the >>>>>>>> original "push it for 3 sec" shut down mode). The feeling is that >>>>>>>> this is what some one might do in a panic situation - partucalurly >>>>>>>> some one not familar with the car (or someone wo didn't bother to >>>>>>>> read the manual). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That sort of additional 'off method' would be a good idea. >>>>>> >>>>>> Don't Prius owners have to push the magic "off" button when they >>>>>> arrive at their destination, or do those cars just sorta sense when >>>>>> the trip's over and shut themselves off? >>>>> >>>>> Presumably, that event occurs with the car in stopped (maybe even >>>>> after they have pressed the park button), so they don't need to hold >>>>> the 'off' power button down for 3 seconds. >>>> >>>> Presumably. The life blood of newsgroups. >>> >>> I could have used the word 'obviously' or 'logically' as well since both >>> would fit for anyone honestly trying to understand the situation. >>> >>> In any case, it makes infinitely more sense than 'presuming' that people >>> know how to use a feature that they have never had to use before >>> (emergency shutoff method of a runaway vehicle) and 'presuming' that >>> they will remember to do it while in a panic situation. >> >> Other than "the trip is over", there are other situations where one might >> stop and put the car in park. Why program the car to shut off in those >> situations, in the exact same way it would shut off when the trip is, in >> fact, over? > > You do know that there is a difference between 'park' and 'off', right? That's what I just said. > Your question above suggests that you need to look at how the Prius is > operated at least a little bit. That makes you and I exactly equal in this discussion. > You are the guy making fun of people for not reading manuals, right? That's right. But just like you, I'm guessing. My guess is that with a Prius, there's a difference between the following situations: 1) In PARK, stopped at a drive-up ATM. 2) Done with the car, trip over. In situation #2, I'm guessing that the driver uses the OFF button, which means that the driver already knows what that button does and has no need to read the manual.
From: JoeSpareBedroom on 16 Mar 2010 10:10 "Conscience" <nobama@g�v.com> wrote in message news:hno3af$u1r$1(a)news.albasani.net... > On 2010-03-16 06:33:01 -0700, "Obveeus" <Obveeus(a)aol.com> said: > >> You do know that there is a difference between 'park' and 'off', right? >> Your question above suggests that you need to look at how the Prius is >> operated at least a little bit. You are the guy making fun of people for >> not reading manuals, right? > > You're relatively new here. First lesson when dealing with this guy is > that he's incapable of anything more than what passes for thought > processing on a single plane. Logic is a foreign concept to the > arschloch. > > Even then, he'll fumble along, changing the context, running off on > irrelevant tangents having nothing whatsoever to do with the original > subject. > > Just an FYI. > OK, meat sock: Maybe YOU would like to explain the operation of a Prius in great detail.
From: Obveeus on 16 Mar 2010 10:11
"JoeSpareBedroom" <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote in message news:UYLnn.76009$wr5.53943(a)newsfe22.iad... > "Obveeus" <Obveeus(a)aol.com> wrote in message > news:hno1ag$ca0$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >> >> "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote: >> >>> "Obveeus" <Obveeus(a)aol.com> wrote in message >>> news:hno0cn$719$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>>> >>>> "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote in message >>>> news:ZsLnn.76005$wr5.67692(a)newsfe22.iad... >>>>> "Obveeus" <Obveeus(a)aol.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:hnnvfe$2qm$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>>>>> >>>>>> "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote in message >>>>>> news:F4Lnn.75999$wr5.45038(a)newsfe22.iad... >>>>>>> "Obveeus" <Obveeus(a)aol.com> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:hnnu6j$s0d$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "C. E. White" <cewhite3remove(a)mindspring.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I read that Toyota was going to implement an alternate strategy >>>>>>>>> that would shut down the engine if the button was pushed multiple >>>>>>>>> times over a short period (this would be in addition to the >>>>>>>>> original "push it for 3 sec" shut down mode). The feeling is that >>>>>>>>> this is what some one might do in a panic situation - partucalurly >>>>>>>>> some one not familar with the car (or someone wo didn't bother to >>>>>>>>> read the manual). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> That sort of additional 'off method' would be a good idea. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Don't Prius owners have to push the magic "off" button when they >>>>>>> arrive at their destination, or do those cars just sorta sense when >>>>>>> the trip's over and shut themselves off? >>>>>> >>>>>> Presumably, that event occurs with the car in stopped (maybe even >>>>>> after they have pressed the park button), so they don't need to hold >>>>>> the 'off' power button down for 3 seconds. >>>>> >>>>> Presumably. The life blood of newsgroups. >>>> >>>> I could have used the word 'obviously' or 'logically' as well since >>>> both would fit for anyone honestly trying to understand the situation. >>>> >>>> In any case, it makes infinitely more sense than 'presuming' that >>>> people know how to use a feature that they have never had to use before >>>> (emergency shutoff method of a runaway vehicle) and 'presuming' that >>>> they will remember to do it while in a panic situation. >>> >>> Other than "the trip is over", there are other situations where one >>> might stop and put the car in park. Why program the car to shut off in >>> those situations, in the exact same way it would shut off when the trip >>> is, in fact, over? >> >> You do know that there is a difference between 'park' and 'off', right? > > That's what I just said. No, it isn't. >> Your question above suggests that you need to look at how the Prius is >> operated at least a little bit. > > That makes you and I exactly equal in this discussion. > > >> You are the guy making fun of people for not reading manuals, right? > > That's right. But just like you, I'm guessing. My guess is that with a > Prius, there's a difference between the following situations: > > 1) In PARK, stopped at a drive-up ATM. > 2) Done with the car, trip over. Situation #1 results in pressing the 'park' button. Situation #2 results in pressing the 'power' button. (off) > In situation #2, I'm guessing that the driver uses the OFF button, which > means that the driver already knows what that button does and has no need > to read the manual. The operation of the button is different when in park (or stopped) than it is when the car is moving at speed. The need to *hold the button down* for 3+ seconds is a 'feature' for the at speed situation, right? |