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From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 10 Feb 2010 16:51 On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 10:18:50 -0800, Mudflap wrote: > The worst part is I haven't seen the price of toyotas plummet yet. > > As soon as the tacomas are worth the same as rangers and canyons, i'm > buying a used one. unless the new values plummet too! I dno't know if Tacomas are covered under the recall. Bad frames, yes...
From: Tom W. Butts on 10 Feb 2010 19:01 On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 10:18:50 -0800 (PST), Mudflap <hall.richard.j(a)gmail.com> wrote: >The worst part is I haven't seen the price of toyotas plummet yet. > >As soon as the tacomas are worth the same as rangers and canyons, i'm >buying a used one. unless the new values plummet too! Thanks I'll pass. Didn't like Toyotas before the recall, don't like 'em now. Their trucks have always been a joke. BTW, I heard on the news that Kelly Bluebook has revised many Toyota prices downward as demand plummets.
From: Clive on 10 Feb 2010 19:46 In message <4b72d99c$0$18644$ce5e7886(a)news-radius.ptd.net>, Mike Hunter <Mikehunt2(a)lycos.?.invalid> writes >I guess the Toyota loyalist are worried they may get injured or killed at >worst and the retail value of their cars will plummet at best. Or perhaps it's just that they're global with a car that passes the criteria of all governments whereas for instance the EU is very strict on what cars can be sold in it's area, which is why firms like Ford and GM have to make a totally different product for the EU. -- Clive
From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 10 Feb 2010 20:44 On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 00:46:16 +0000, Clive wrote: > In message <4b72d99c$0$18644$ce5e7886(a)news-radius.ptd.net>, Mike Hunter > <Mikehunt2(a)lycos.?.invalid> writes >>I guess the Toyota loyalist are worried they may get injured or killed at >>worst and the retail value of their cars will plummet at best. > Or perhaps it's just that they're global with a car that passes the > criteria of all governments whereas for instance the EU is very strict on > what cars can be sold in it's area, which is why firms like Ford and GM > have to make a totally different product for the EU. That why they don't sell US designed cars there? The UK version of the Escort was pretty close to the US version. OTOH, GM had to buy Vauxhaul to get an 'in' in European markets. I've heard they're junk, too...
From: dr_jeff on 10 Feb 2010 21:16
Hachiroku ハチロク wrote: > On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 00:46:16 +0000, Clive wrote: > >> In message <4b72d99c$0$18644$ce5e7886(a)news-radius.ptd.net>, Mike Hunter >> <Mikehunt2(a)lycos.?.invalid> writes >>> I guess the Toyota loyalist are worried they may get injured or killed at >>> worst and the retail value of their cars will plummet at best. >> Or perhaps it's just that they're global with a car that passes the >> criteria of all governments whereas for instance the EU is very strict on >> what cars can be sold in it's area, which is why firms like Ford and GM >> have to make a totally different product for the EU. > > That why they don't sell US designed cars there? > > The UK version of the Escort was pretty close to the US version. > OTOH, GM had to buy Vauxhaul to get an 'in' in European markets. > > I've heard they're junk, too... A large part of why there are different cars for different markets is that the markets have different needs. The Japanese and European markets have fuel that is like 3 or 4 times higher than the price of fuel in the US. SO fuel economy is more important than in the US. In addition, both Europe and Japan are much more interested in fuel economy than we are in the US. In both markets, there is less room for cars, so smaller cars are more useful. And, besides this, the people have different tastes. In the US, for years people have liked big boat-type cars. In Europe, people have preferred smaller, more nimble cars. For example, Olds was advertising that it had the first 4-wheel independent suspension car made in the US in 1987 or 1988. The Peugeot 504 on which I learned to drive had four-wheel indpendent suspension 13 years earlier. And the emissions and safety requirements are different, too. Jeff |