{BS} Nancy Pelosi: Unemployment insurance creates jobs.
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From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 3 Jul 2010 12:15 On Sat, 03 Jul 2010 09:49:40 -0400, Gary L. Burnore wrote: > On Fri, 02 Jul 2010 21:41:18 -0400, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote: > >>On Fri, 02 Jul 2010 12:22:32 -0700, Jeff Strickland wrote: >> >> >>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message >>> news:4c2e2f9d$0$1049$afc38c87(a)read01.usenet4all.se... >>>> DAMN! Where do I sign up?!?!?! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> Of course it does! >>> >>> Unemployemnt creates jobs because people without jobs collecting >>> unemployment can buy stuff, which creates a job for somebody else. Or, >>> it saves a job from going away. But a job that goes away simply means >>> that another person collects unemployment so they can buy stuff and >>> create another job. >>> >>> The really funny part is that nobody seems to care where the money >>> comes from, but the reality is that they are taking a dollar from the >>> right side pocket and putting it into the left side pocket, and >>> counting up how full the left side pocket is getting and ignoring how >>> empty the right side pocket is getting. >>> >>> What they also seem to ignore is that if there is a worker making $25 >>> per hour, and you give him $250 in unemployment benefits, he's still >>> not gonna buy anything, and no jobs are created or saved. >> >>That money will be going to pay a mortgage, which does not create jobs, > > Mortage Industry. > Electric Company > Gas Company (optional) > Water Company > Trash Pickup > > > >> or to pay for groceries, which does not create jobs, > > Bag Boy > Checkout Clerk > Stock Boy > Store Manager > Truck Drivers (to deliver food to store) Growers and Manufacturers of the > food. > >> or to buy Chinese made goods, which ships the dfollar overseas. > > Because republicans favor businesses over americans even if said > businesses ship the jobs overseas. Even then, americans ship and sell > those goods. More jobs. Does not create jobs. Maintains the jobs that are already there.
From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 3 Jul 2010 12:17 On Sat, 03 Jul 2010 03:41:13 -0700, edspyhill01 wrote: >> That money will be going to pay a mortgage, which does not create jobs, >> or to pay for groceries, which does not create jobs, or to buy Chinese >> made goods, which ships the dfollar overseas.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > Well, business genius, grocery shopping keeps people employed in minimum > wage jobs That's about all it does. It does not "create" jobs. As far as expanding jobs, nope. It maintains jobs already there. However, since the people have money to spend, it does not decrease jobs, either. If the UB were to go away, there would be more job loss. But saying it "creates" jobs only magnifies Pelousy's ignorance.
From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 3 Jul 2010 12:43 On Sat, 03 Jul 2010 12:25:23 -0400, Gary L. Burnore wrote: > On Sat, 03 Jul 2010 12:17:51 -0400, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote: > >>On Sat, 03 Jul 2010 03:41:13 -0700, edspyhill01 wrote: >> >>>> That money will be going to pay a mortgage, which does not create >>>> jobs, or to pay for groceries, which does not create jobs, or to buy >>>> Chinese made goods, which ships the dfollar overseas.- Hide quoted >>>> text - >>>> >>>> - Show quoted text - >>> >>> Well, business genius, grocery shopping keeps people employed in >>> minimum wage jobs >> >>That's about all it does. It does not "create" jobs. > > Sure it does, dip. Those layed off during the bush crash are rehired. > That's creating. But the Obungler crash is keepeing them unemployed. If people have been rehired, why is unemployment still >9%? That does not count the people who have exhausted benefits. > > >>As far as expanding jobs, nope. It maintains jobs already there. > > At minimum, you're suggesting it better NOT to maintain those jobs, making > more people unemployed. That's not what I said. Look at the header of the message. Tell me, in your area, who's hiring? > >>However, since the people have money to spend, it does not decrease jobs, >>either. If the UB were to go away, there would be more job loss. >> >>But saying it "creates" jobs only magnifies Pelousy's ignorance. >> > Anything that wasn't there because of the bush crash that's there now was > created by Obama. That you don't like the facts is your own problem. > Entertaining that it is. What has been 'created' by Obama, except a larger debt?
From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 3 Jul 2010 13:12 On Sat, 03 Jul 2010 12:45:59 -0400, Gary L. Burnore wrote: > On Sat, 03 Jul 2010 12:43:11 -0400, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote: > >>On Sat, 03 Jul 2010 12:25:23 -0400, Gary L. Burnore wrote: >> >>> On Sat, 03 Jul 2010 12:17:51 -0400, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> >>> wrote: >>> >>>>On Sat, 03 Jul 2010 03:41:13 -0700, edspyhill01 wrote: >>>> >>>>>> That money will be going to pay a mortgage, which does not create >>>>>> jobs, or to pay for groceries, which does not create jobs, or to buy >>>>>> Chinese made goods, which ships the dfollar overseas.- Hide quoted >>>>>> text - >>>>>> >>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>> >>>>> Well, business genius, grocery shopping keeps people employed in >>>>> minimum wage jobs >>>> >>>>That's about all it does. It does not "create" jobs. >>> >>> Sure it does, dip. Those layed off during the bush crash are rehired. >>> That's creating. >> >> >>But the Obungler crash is keepeing them unemployed. > > Sorry, no. Unemployment rates are dropping. Slowly, albiet. But with non-permanent jobs. > >>If people have been rehired, why is unemployment still >9%? > > Because bush screwed it up so bad it'll take years to fix. Haven't seen much of a fix yet. > >>That does not count the people who have exhausted benefits. > > Exhausted? Your friends in congress have stopped their benefits. Haven't > you been paying attention? Then what's Pelousy flapping her gums about? > > >> >>> >>>>As far as expanding jobs, nope. It maintains jobs already there. >>> >>> At minimum, you're suggesting it better NOT to maintain those jobs, >>> making more people unemployed. >> >> >>That's not what I said. > > It's what you're saying. > >> Look at the header of the message. Tell me, in your area, who's hiring? > > A conciderable number of places, actually. Not enough, but conciderable. > New jobs coming in too. > > >> >>>>However, since the people have money to spend, it does not decrease >>>>jobs, either. If the UB were to go away, there would be more job loss. >>>> >>>>But saying it "creates" jobs only magnifies Pelousy's ignorance. >>>> >>> Anything that wasn't there because of the bush crash that's there now >>> was created by Obama. That you don't like the facts is your own >>> problem. Entertaining that it is. >> >>What has been 'created' by Obama, except a larger debt? >> > Your buddy bush caused it. Not Obama. Based on your 8 years of blaming > Clinton, we've got at least 6 more to go blaming bush. Obama trebled the debt since he took office. Sorry, blaming Bush doesn't work here. Get off the party line and take a critical look. If you remember, I had a LOT to say of Bush in the negative.
From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 3 Jul 2010 14:06
On Sat, 03 Jul 2010 13:29:54 -0400, Gary L. Burnore wrote: >>All I know is, after being unemployed for a year, and having exhausted my >>benefits, and not being able to get a job anywhere near my rate of pay >>($17 an hour in 1991) I took a job...pumping gas. > > Good for you. Why, yes! And if I can do it, others can, too. >> >>Trouble is now, people are unwilling to take any jobs 'beneath them' and >>put the hand out to the government. > > You're still spouting party line that unemployment is a handout? Feh. Anything paid in by the companies has now been spent for a lot still collecting. > >> Need to eat some Humble Pie and get ajob...any job. > > > > >>In all fairness, I did turn down one job that was offered me: running a >>loom. I get easily distracted by numbers of machines running all at once, >>and I like my fingers. >> >>I did shortly after that take a job in a plastics company making >>blown-film plastic bags. It was a temp assignment and I was only needed >>for three weeks while people were on vacation. >> >>At least I managed to keep all my fingers... >> >>But I also pumped gas and washed dishes before I got a computer gig. > > You've proven you're better than some republicans. Nothing more. |