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From: Tegger on 16 Dec 2009 14:48 "tak" <jkirch(a)frontiernet.net> wrote in news:0mXVm.32033$gd1.14433(a)newsfe05.iad: >>> >> Proof? What's the point of providing proof? You won't read it, and will dismiss it anyway. Sigh. Oh well, here you go: From one perspective: <http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fpcomment/archive/2009/05/04/lawrence-solomon-deep-arctic-ice-surprises-scientific-expedition.aspx> and from another: <http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fpcomment/archive/2009/09/25/lawrence-solomon-hot-and-cold.aspx> Excerpt from the second URL: "In the Arctic, the ice has indeed been contracting, as the global warming doomsayers have been telling us. But it has also been expanding. The riddle of how the Arctic ice can both be contracting and expanding is easily explained. After you read the next two paragraphs, you'll be able to describe it easily to your friends to set them straight. "Each winter, the Arctic ice pack rapidly expands and each summer it rapidly contracts, as you can see thanks to photos from a Japanese Aerospace Exploration Agency satellite that tracks the changes in the ice pack. On its website, you can also get data showing the area of sea ice for every month going back to 2002. "Compare March of this year to previous Marches, for example, and you'll see that the Arctic ice has been expanding of late -- a story rarely told. But compare August of this year to previous Augusts and you'll see that the August ice over the years has tended to contract -- this is the basis of the scary stories that we hear about the Arctic ice disappearing. A snapshot of the Arctic ice, without knowledge of the bigger picture, can lead to scary conclusions." Here's the link to the Japanese Website mentioned in the above excerpt: <http://www.eorc.jaxa.jp/en/imgdata/gallery/eenvironment/sr0111.html> -- Tegger
From: JoeSpareBedroom on 16 Dec 2009 18:03 "Sharx35" <sharx35(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:wFdWm.57834$PH1.51962(a)edtnps82... > Human causal factors are minuscule. And they will never have any effect. You have proof of this, but it's written down in an old family scrapbook which you keep under your trailer.
From: dr_jeff on 16 Dec 2009 19:35 Mike Hunter wrote: > The Ice Caps are Growing > > By David J. Ameling > > There is very little precise data when it comes to climate change. Are the > Ice Caps growing or are they diminishing? Accurate measurements are hard to > obtain. The International Earth Rotation and Reference Systems Service > (IERS) provides very precise data that can answer this question. The IERS > calculates leap seconds. Just like leap years add days to keep our calendar > in sync with the actual amount of time it takes for the Earth to orbit the > Sun, leap seconds are used to keep highly accurate atomic clocks in sync > with clocks based on the Earth's rotation. The Earth's rotation has slowed > down. To keep the clocks in sync leap seconds will have to be added at a > constant rate. If the Earth's rotation continues to slow down leap seconds > will need to be added at an increasing rate. The IERS determines the > rotation of the Earth. Data only exists from 1972 to the present. From 1972 > thru 1998 (26 years) 21 leap seconds were added. From 1999 to the present (9 > years) only 1 leap second has been added. This means since 1999 to the > present the Earth's rate of rotation has increased. There are two possible > (but not mutually exclusive) causes for this. 1. Some of the Earth's mass > has moved closer to the Earth's axis of rotation similar to a spinning > skater bringing his arms closer to his sides, and thus spinning faster. For > the Earth this would occur when some of its ocean water is moved to the > polar ice caps to form snow and ice. Satellite data shows the Earth's > atmosphere has been cooling since 1998. This would cause a build up of snow > and ice at the polar ice caps and thus increase the Earth's rate of > rotation. The time lines for the increase in the Earth's rotation and the > atmosphere's cooling match. The Ice Caps are growing. Mass could also have > been moved closer to Earth's axis of rotation by geological methods, but > these would require more time. 2. An electromagnetic force that would slow > down the Earth's rotation is lessening. When a conductor is passed through a > magnetic field an Electromotive Force (EMF) is created. If this EMF results > in a current; the magnetic field created by the current opposes the motion > of the conductor through the magnetic field. This will slow the motion of > the conductor unless additional force is applied. The Earth rotates within > the Sun's magnetic field. The Earth's oceans and atmosphere are conductors. > The resulting eddy currents slow down the Earth's rotation. The Sun's > resultant magnetic field (a summation of polar and toroidal magnetic fields) > has been decreasing since the 1990s. This results in a reduction in the > created EMF. This results in a reduction of eddy currents, which reduces the > electromagnetic force that would slow the Earth's rotation. This reduction > in the electromagnetic force that would slow the Earth's rotation rate is > far too small to account for the increase in the Earth's rotation rate. It > would only complement the effects described in cause 1. The Ice Caps are > growing Sadly, NASA who uses actual measurements of the ice caps disagrees: http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/seaice_status09.html And the author is incorrect. More than one leap second has been added since 1999. Jeff > "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message > news:pan.2009.12.16.02.12.33.811513(a)e86.GTS... >> On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 20:52:30 -0500, tak wrote: >> >>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message >>> news:pan.2009.12.16.01.15.37.996733(a)e86.GTS... >>>> On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 19:34:29 -0500, tak wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> "Tegger" <invalid(a)invalid.inv> wrote in message >>>>> news:Xns9CE2B169D8636tegger(a)208.90.168.18... >>>>>> "tak" <jkirch(a)frontiernet.net> wrote in >>>>>> news:k4TVm.43162$kY2.12427(a)newsfe01.iad: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> "Tegger" <invalid(a)invalid.inv> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:Xns9CE290DE16101tegger(a)208.90.168.18... >>>>>> >>>>>>>> The Believers' computer models do not work when they try to predict >>>>>>>> past weather events, even when fed actual observed data. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The Believers' computer models ignore clouds and water vapor, which >>>>>>>> are well-known to have an effect on weather as great as (or greater >>>>>>>> than) carbon dioxide or other "greenhouse gases". >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The Believers are not very compelling given all that and more, >>>>>>>> frankly. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Given that these are theoretical models that then have to be compared >>>>>>> to actual data for best fit leaves your favored conclusion a poor >>>>>>> fit. But since you already seem to have a conclusion in search of an >>>>>>> explanation, happy hunting. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> But those "theoretical" models are precisely the evidence the >>>>>> Believers are >>>>>> using to predict future doom and gloom! >>>>>> >>>>>> All the sea-level rises, all the temperature increases, all the >>>>>> ice-cap melting, are all based on those models. >>>>>> >>>>>> Without those models, the Believers have absolutely nothing to support >>>>>> their predictions of doom, and nothing to support their insistent >>>>>> calls for >>>>>> urgent action to "save the planet". >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Tegger >>>>>> >>>>> Did you miss the polar icecap meltdown? Just one example. >>>> Except that it grew last year. >>>> >>> Proof? >> It's called the Evening News. Try it some time. Polar ice cap grew a lot >> last winter. It was on NBC. >> >> >> > >
From: Sharx35 on 17 Dec 2009 00:30
"JoeSpareBedroom" <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote in message news:%GdWm.47930$cd7.40472(a)newsfe04.iad... > "Sharx35" <sharx35(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:wFdWm.57834$PH1.51962(a)edtnps82... > >> Human causal factors are minuscule. > > And they will never have any effect. You have proof of this, but it's > written down in an old family scrapbook which you keep under your trailer. > > A Kraft mayonnaise jar, actually. |