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From: Lu R on 2 Sep 2009 02:47 "Noddy" <me(a)home.com> wrote in message news:4a9da711$0$93390$c30e37c6(a)exi-reader.telstra.net... > > "Michelle Steiner" <michelle(a)michelle.org> wrote in message > news:michelle-426C26.05264801092009(a)news.eternal-september.org... > >> None are so blind as those who refuse to see. > > So you're saying hybrids *do* make economic sense? > > -- > Regards, > Noddy. All you have repeatedly ranted about hybrids and the Prius in particular are basically ..1. You find them ugly.. well who gives a f**k what you think? I love their look and so do many others so try to respect that fact. 2. Economic sense..Ive never seen any other car bagged so hard by a fuckwit trying to derate the hybrid system. No other car has to justify itself this badly so lump it. It doesnt cost an arm or leg in comparison to high end motoring. Using your logic why would anyone bother to buy a sports car? It isnt JUST about economy. 3. Fuel consumption..It does do the claimed MPG and more!! The Prius is the perfect city car.Traffic jams are where I laugh hardest in fact. My car switches off its ICE how bout yours? If you were to do a real time fuel usage analysis in city traffic the MPG for a Prius would be untouchable.
From: Roger/DAVO on 2 Sep 2009 03:35 "Was Istoben" <entshuldigen(a)oopla.com> wrote in message news:4a9de735$1(a)newsgate.x-privat.org... > > "Noddy" <me(a)home.com> wrote in message > news:4a9de49d$0$93375$c30e37c6(a)exi-reader.telstra.net... >> >> "Was Istoben" <entshuldigen(a)oopla.com> wrote in message >> news:4a9de286(a)newsgate.x-privat.org... >> >>> The part you apparently didn't understand? I see you snipped it. >>> Coward. >> >> I snipped it because it was nothing other than a load of hypothetical >> bullshit you idiot. >> >> -- >> Regards, >> Noddy. > No, you snipped it because you are an intellectual coward. I'm amused by > the way you run from that which you cannot debate, leaving a few ignorant > curses in your wake. LOL....Didn't take you long to figure out what an arsehole you've been talking to. Roger/Davo
From: Noddy on 2 Sep 2009 05:07 "Trevor Wilson" <trevor(a)SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message news:7g67vgF2o4qs0U1(a)mid.individual.net... > **Not quite. In real Dollar terms, some things are cheaper. Some things certainly are, but by and large everything in general has risen. It always does. > You'll note a couple of things: > > * Your choice of 1980 was a smart one, since that corresponded to a spike > in oil prices. > * You should note that the cost of oil in 1980 was very close to the > present figure (in real Dollars). > * The overall tredn, since the early 1970s has been up (in reall Dollars). Noted. > **A couple of problems with that: > * China's economy is one of the few that is actually growing. It is indeed. > * China's population is huge and getting wealthier. *Some* of China's population are doing well, but the overwhelming majority are eating cardboard and are unlikely to afford a litre of petrol let alone own a motorised vehicle for quite some time. India is much the same in that the demand for fuel isn't proportional to the population like it is in Western countries. > **Correct. Back in the 1950s and early 1960s, most of the Japanese > population was poor. They're not now and have not been for some time. > Expect the Chinese population to respond similarly. Not in our lifetimes. The very reason for China's current "wealth" is it's willingness to allow it's people to earn 40 cents an hour slaving away in concentration camp like conditions so Westerners like you and I can buy a ten buck electric sander at Bunnings. Take that away and the country has nothing to offer to foreign manufacturers who are looking for cheap labour, which will ultimately mean our dollars won't be heading back to China. > The catch with China is that the government refuses to float the currency. > Eventually, it will have no choice but to do so. That will do several > things: > > * Raise the price of Chinese manufactured products substantially and > rapidly. > * Make all Chinese substantially and rapidly much weathier. Which is precisely why they're not interested in doing it. The don't *have* to do so. The fat cats are getting by just fine with the system as it is. > **I'm betting it will for the above reasons and the peak oil thing. I'm betting it's not something that'll need to be worried about by anyone alive today. > **Quite a bit, actually. City driving requires lots of torque. Electric > motors work best in that area. So do petrol engines. > **Just like a car. In stop-start motoring hybrids make lots of sense. Less > so, with long distance driving. Nothing like in a car. Hybrids don't *need* to exist, as there are other, currently cheaper alternatives. This isn't the case with diesel/electric locomotives. > **Don't put money on it. Hybrids have only been used for a decade or so. > There's plenty of tinkering to be done. The idea is a great one. However the practical limitations are poor, and until they're overcome they'll only ever be a novelty. An expensive, uneconimical novelty which kinda defeats their very purpose. > **Of course. The catch being that they have the potential to use far less > fuel than regular petrol cars in city driving. Potential and reality are often very different. As I've mentioned before, there are two Priii in my wife's department that are used for city driving on a daily basis. Their average monthly fuel bill is only slightly less than that of the Petrol powered Mitsubishi's they replaced. -- Regards, Noddy.
From: Noddy on 2 Sep 2009 23:32 "Was Istoben" <entshuldigen(a)oopla.com> wrote in message news:4a9e90e5(a)newsgate.x-privat.org... > I find it amusing when an ignorant slug armed with nothing but anecdotal > evidence and foul expletives debates someone who actually owns and drives > a Prius every day. I'll bet you do. Oddly enough, you don't seem to place much stock in the fact that the guy who drives the Prius every day just happens to be a complete fuckwit. Maybe you can't tell the difference and it's just a "Prius owner" thing..... > Noddy, nobody is trying to make a fool of you. You are doing a great job > of that on your own. Lol :) That's pretty funny coming from someone who argues economics based on "what if's" :) -- Regards, Noddy.
From: Noddy on 3 Sep 2009 20:49
"Dyna Soar" <dynasoar..REMOVE..THIS..(a)ozdebate.com> wrote in message news:7gb3o9F2p753hU1(a)mid.individual.net... > Now there's an oxymoron. > "The U.S." and "health care". Lol :) They actually do have health care. You pay or you die :) -- Regards, Noddy. |