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From: Noddy on 1 Sep 2009 18:57 "Michelle Steiner" <michelle(a)michelle.org> wrote in message news:michelle-426C26.05264801092009(a)news.eternal-september.org... > None are so blind as those who refuse to see. So you're saying hybrids *do* make economic sense? -- Regards, Noddy.
From: Noddy on 1 Sep 2009 18:58 "Roger/DAVO" <Rogerfanclub(a)live.com.au> wrote in message news:02ad943e$0$7503$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... > Also well said Michelle. Unfortunately this Noddy clown has a band of > intimidated followers who could be likened to "the blind leading the > blind". Now you too will sample the wrath of a complete looney. Roger, if you want to be a multi-personality bullshitting fuckwit then that's *your* business, but please feel free not to make apologies for me. I'm quite capable of speaking for myself thanks very much. -- Regards, Noddy.
From: Was Istoben on 1 Sep 2009 19:08 "Noddy" <me(a)home.com> wrote in message news:4a9da711$0$93390$c30e37c6(a)exi-reader.telstra.net... > > "Michelle Steiner" <michelle(a)michelle.org> wrote in message > news:michelle-426C26.05264801092009(a)news.eternal-september.org... > >> None are so blind as those who refuse to see. > > So you're saying hybrids *do* make economic sense? > > -- > Regards, > Noddy. Only if you understand economics. For example, if everyone burned half as much gas, gas would cost much less than it does today. The cost of dealing with respiratory disorders would drop. The cost of dealing with climate change would drop. I could go on but you aren't going to think anyway so what's the point?
From: George W Frost on 1 Sep 2009 20:30 "Was Istoben" <entshuldigen(a)oopla.com> wrote in message news:4a9d4016(a)newsgate.x-privat.org... > > "Sylvia Else" <sylvia(a)not.at.this.address> wrote in message > news:0018f5bd$0$19796$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... >> Was Istoben wrote: >>> >>> "Sylvia Else" <sylvia(a)not.at.this.address> wrote in message >>> news:0055b5c3$0$9529$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... >>>> Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>> "Sylvia Else" <sylvia(a)not.at.this.address> wrote in message >>>>> news:000de3fd$0$5739$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... >>>>>> Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>> "Sylvia Else" <sylvia(a)not.at.this.address> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:0055a50e$0$9562$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... >>>>>>>> Lu R wrote: >>>>>>>>> http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/ArticleDetail.aspx?articleid=65192&s_rid=smh:rainbowstrip:content1:31-08:bmw >>>>>>>> Well, if you're bying a BMW, you're probably not that worried about >>>>>>>> the fact that the extra cost of the hybrid is never paid off by >>>>>>>> fuel savings. If you're willing to pay $10,000 or $20,000 to feel >>>>>>>> green, then go for it. >>>>>>> **Really? How much will petrol cost next month? How about next year? >>>>>>> How about in 5 years? 10? The problem with making silly predictions, >>>>>>> is that you don't know all the factors. I can promise you thing: >>>>>>> Petrol prices are in an upward trend. There is no evidence to >>>>>>> suggest that the trend will reverse anytime soon. >>>>>> Petrol prices would tend to be capped by the price of biodiesel, >>>>>> because although petrol vehicles cannot run on biodiesel, as soon as >>>>>> it becomes clear that the latter fuel will become cheaper than >>>>>> petrol, people will be buying new vehicles that run on it in >>>>>> preference to petrol. >>>>>> >>>>>> Petrol prices might rise in the short term, but the effect will be >>>>>> self correcting. >>>>> >>>>> **Nope. It doesn't work like that on this planet. We have an >>>>> ever-increasing market for a product whose supply is dwindling. >>>>> Therefore, prices MUST rise. The only thing to prevent this price rise >>>>> is an alternative fuel source. There is no practical alternative which >>>>> can be put into place within 10 years. Bio-Diesel is bullshit. Well, >>>>> unless we all decide that we don't need food anyway. Bio-Diesel has >>>>> it's place, but it is not for most transport. >>>> >>>> Biodiesel produced from algae doesn't displace food production. >>>> >>>> Sylvia. >>> >>> Sylvia. Biodiesel cannot be produced from algae at any meaningful >>> scale. >>> >> >> Why not? >> >> Sylvia. > > We burn diesel faster than we can grow algae. According to what I have read and seen about algae being used for bio fuel They claim that algae produces more than ten times bio fuel than other crop sources.
From: Was Istoben on 1 Sep 2009 21:15
"George W Frost" <georgewfrost(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:L0jnm.15331$ze1.11961(a)news-server.bigpond.net.au... > > "Was Istoben" <entshuldigen(a)oopla.com> wrote in message > news:4a9d4016(a)newsgate.x-privat.org... >> >> "Sylvia Else" <sylvia(a)not.at.this.address> wrote in message >> news:0018f5bd$0$19796$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... >>> Was Istoben wrote: >>>> >>>> "Sylvia Else" <sylvia(a)not.at.this.address> wrote in message >>>> news:0055b5c3$0$9529$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... >>>>> Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>> "Sylvia Else" <sylvia(a)not.at.this.address> wrote in message >>>>>> news:000de3fd$0$5739$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... >>>>>>> Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>> "Sylvia Else" <sylvia(a)not.at.this.address> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:0055a50e$0$9562$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... >>>>>>>>> Lu R wrote: >>>>>>>>>> http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/ArticleDetail.aspx?articleid=65192&s_rid=smh:rainbowstrip:content1:31-08:bmw >>>>>>>>> Well, if you're bying a BMW, you're probably not that worried >>>>>>>>> about the fact that the extra cost of the hybrid is never paid off >>>>>>>>> by fuel savings. If you're willing to pay $10,000 or $20,000 to >>>>>>>>> feel green, then go for it. >>>>>>>> **Really? How much will petrol cost next month? How about next >>>>>>>> year? How about in 5 years? 10? The problem with making silly >>>>>>>> predictions, is that you don't know all the factors. I can promise >>>>>>>> you thing: Petrol prices are in an upward trend. There is no >>>>>>>> evidence to suggest that the trend will reverse anytime soon. >>>>>>> Petrol prices would tend to be capped by the price of biodiesel, >>>>>>> because although petrol vehicles cannot run on biodiesel, as soon as >>>>>>> it becomes clear that the latter fuel will become cheaper than >>>>>>> petrol, people will be buying new vehicles that run on it in >>>>>>> preference to petrol. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Petrol prices might rise in the short term, but the effect will be >>>>>>> self correcting. >>>>>> >>>>>> **Nope. It doesn't work like that on this planet. We have an >>>>>> ever-increasing market for a product whose supply is dwindling. >>>>>> Therefore, prices MUST rise. The only thing to prevent this price >>>>>> rise is an alternative fuel source. There is no practical alternative >>>>>> which can be put into place within 10 years. Bio-Diesel is bullshit. >>>>>> Well, unless we all decide that we don't need food anyway. Bio-Diesel >>>>>> has it's place, but it is not for most transport. >>>>> >>>>> Biodiesel produced from algae doesn't displace food production. >>>>> >>>>> Sylvia. >>>> >>>> Sylvia. Biodiesel cannot be produced from algae at any meaningful >>>> scale. >>>> >>> >>> Why not? >>> >>> Sylvia. >> >> We burn diesel faster than we can grow algae. > > According to what I have read and seen about algae being used for bio fuel > They claim that algae produces more than ten times bio fuel than other > crop sources. The operative word there is "claim." How much algae has been converted to biofuel to date? If there was anything to that claim, the lake I live on would be harvested for biofuel instead of the soybean field down the road. |