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From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 27 Feb 2010 14:45 On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 10:05:37 -0600, jim wrote: > > > jim beam wrote: > > >> so read the freakin' owners manual! > > How is that going to help someone with an out of control vehicle? We're kind of assuming you familiarize yourself with a vehicle loaded with technology that may be unfamiliar BEFORE you find yourself hurtling through space at 125 MPH. How had she been turning the car off before that? > > >> besides, unless this is absolutely the first time this person has ever >> sat behind the wheel of this vehicle, and hasn't yet turned it off, they >> will have LEARNED that the button needs to be pressed for THREE SECONDS >> to switch off the vehicle. duh. > > that may well be easy to do when you are stopped in your driveway, but if > you are careening down the highway at an unreasonably fast speed your > perception of how long 3 seconds is may be a tad altered. > > you are obviously a loon if you are trying to defend this as good > design. A lot of companies have adopted it. I think Honda was one of the first with the S2000.
From: jim on 27 Feb 2010 15:15 "Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B" wrote: > > On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 10:05:37 -0600, jim wrote: > > > > > > > jim beam wrote: > > > > > >> so read the freakin' owners manual! > > > > How is that going to help someone with an out of control vehicle? > > We're kind of assuming you familiarize yourself with a vehicle loaded with > technology that may be unfamiliar BEFORE you find yourself hurtling > through space at 125 MPH. How had she been turning the car off before that? > > > > > > >> besides, unless this is absolutely the first time this person has ever > >> sat behind the wheel of this vehicle, and hasn't yet turned it off, they > >> will have LEARNED that the button needs to be pressed for THREE SECONDS > >> to switch off the vehicle. duh. > > > > that may well be easy to do when you are stopped in your driveway, but if > > you are careening down the highway at an unreasonably fast speed your > > perception of how long 3 seconds is may be a tad altered. > > > > you are obviously a loon if you are trying to defend this as good > > design. > > A lot of companies have adopted it. I think Honda was one of the first > with the S2000. I think it was a '46 chevy coupe that was the first car I saw where you pushed a button on the dash to start the car. It was considered cutting edge technology. A big step forward from stepping on a pedal on the floor.
From: Clive on 27 Feb 2010 15:35 In message <K62dnS4FQoTW4BTWnZ2dnUVZ_oOdnZ2d(a)bright.net>, jim <sjedgingN0Sp(a)m.?.invalid> writes > I think it was a '46 chevy coupe that was the first car I saw where you >pushed a button on the dash to start the car. It was considered cutting >edge technology. A big step forward from stepping on a pedal on the >floor. I can remember cars from between the wars having starter buttons as standard, it was a long time later that there was another space (other than off and on) that allowed you to crank the engine with the key. -- Clive
From: Neo on 27 Feb 2010 15:48 On Feb 23, 8:35 pm, Hachiroku <Tru...(a)e86.GTS> wrote: > A woman testified before Congress that when her Toyota began accelerating > uncontrollably she "put the car in neutral and it had no effect, I stepped > on the brakes and it had no effect, I applied the emergency brake and it > had no effect, I even tried to put the car into reverse and I couldn't." > > Huh? Putting the car in neutral had no effect? Someone provide with with a > clue on this one. > > BTW< the car was a Lexus. driver = Mrs. Rhonda Smith of Servierville, Tenn Car = 2007 Lexus ES350 Event date = October 2006 Event location = I-40, Tennessee Event Car Mileage: 3000 miles Current Car Mileage: 30000 miles Event description = The driver testified before congress that her car accelerates to 100mph. as she attempted to slow it down using her brakes, emergency brakes, by shifting the car into neutral, and by shifting the car into reverse. After 6 miles the car stops[1]. Ms. Smith trade in her 2007 Lexus ES350 after 3000 miles. It was purchased by another family whom has since driven it another 27000 miles without incident until the NHTSA has purchased it for testing at its Vehicle Research and Test Center in East Liberty, Ohio. It has been reported that the NHTSA purchased the car for about $42,500 for testing [2]. The blue book value of the car in good condition is $23,185. [1] http://www.startribune.com/business/84955817.html http://www.gainesville.com/article/20100223/ARTICLES/100229805 http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/02/23/national/main6234834.shtml http://www.factsaboutclimatechange.com/topic/Automotive+Technology [2] http://www.factsaboutclimatechange.com/topic/Automotive+Technology http://www.factsaboutclimatechange.com/article/U.S.%20to%20test%20Lexus%20model%20cited%20in%20Toyota%20hearings/?k=j83s12y12h94s27k02 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/shame-on-you-rhonda-smith/ http://blogs.cars.com/kickingtires/2010/02/nhtsa-to-test-lexus-vehicle-investigate-electronics-for-all-automakers.html http://www.detnews.com/article/20100226/AUTO01/2260443/1148/rss25 http://voices.washingtonpost.com/economy-watch/2010/02/nhtsa_buys_car_belonging_to_ru.html?hpid=topnews
From: Not Me on 27 Feb 2010 17:43
Neo wrote: > On Feb 23, 8:35 pm, Hachiroku <Tru...(a)e86.GTS> wrote: >> A woman testified before Congress that when her Toyota began accelerating >> uncontrollably she "put the car in neutral and it had no effect, I stepped >> on the brakes and it had no effect, I applied the emergency brake and it >> had no effect, I even tried to put the car into reverse and I couldn't." >> >> Huh? Putting the car in neutral had no effect? Someone provide with with a >> clue on this one. >> >> BTW< the car was a Lexus. > > driver = Mrs. Rhonda Smith of Servierville, Tenn > Car = 2007 Lexus ES350 > Event date = October 2006 > Event location = I-40, Tennessee > Event Car Mileage: 3000 miles > Current Car Mileage: 30000 miles > > Event description = The driver testified > before congress that her car accelerates to > 100mph. as she attempted to slow it down > using her brakes, emergency brakes, by > shifting the car into neutral, and by > shifting the car into reverse. After > 6 miles the car stops[1]. > > Ms. Smith trade in her 2007 Lexus ES350 > after 3000 miles. It was purchased by > another family whom has since driven > it another 27000 miles without incident > until the NHTSA has purchased it for > testing at its Vehicle Research and Test > Center in East Liberty, Ohio. It has > been reported that the NHTSA > purchased the car for about > $42,500 for testing [2]. The > blue book value of the car in good > condition is $23,185. > Sure, but this one had celebrity status... |