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From: News on 27 Feb 2010 11:07 jim wrote: > > jim beam wrote: > >> so read the freakin' owners manual! > > How is that going to help someone with an out of control vehicle? Maybe they should have considered that (RTFM) before engaging the starter.
From: jim beam on 27 Feb 2010 11:32 On 02/27/2010 08:05 AM, jim wrote: > > > jim beam wrote: > >> >> so read the freakin' owners manual! > > How is that going to help someone with an out of control vehicle? so, when you're cleaning your guns on the kitchen table, and your kid comes in and wants to play with them, do you just hand them and the ammunition over and let them emulate what they see on tv? or do you take a moment to point out the differences between the safe end and the dangerous end, and keep the ammo locked away? same with getting behind the wheel of a car dude - you are responsible for familiarizing yourself with the controls before pressing the "start" button. > >> >> besides, unless this is absolutely the first time this person has ever >> sat behind the wheel of this vehicle, and hasn't yet turned it off, they >> will have LEARNED that the button needs to be pressed for THREE SECONDS >> to switch off the vehicle. duh. > > that may well be easy to do when you are stopped in your driveway, but > if you are careening down the highway at an unreasonably fast speed your > perception of how long 3 seconds is may be a tad altered. what is "altered" about pressing the freakin' button until it works? you keep pressing the brake pedal until you can tell it's working don't you? > > you are obviously a loon if you are trying to defend this as good > design. no dude, i'm pointing out the facts: 1. a driver is responsible for familiarizing themselves with the operation of the vehicle. 2. a driver that already knows the vehicle takes three seconds to shutdown from their experience on the driveway but "forgets" it on the road is going to be subject to "natural selection". just like firearms, chainsaws, high buildings with open balconies, there has to be a basic level of competence for which a manufacturer cannot be held responsible. -- nomina rutrum rutrum
From: E. Meyer on 27 Feb 2010 12:24 On 2/27/10 10:05 AM, in article 0r6dnRTgAvRO3xTWnZ2dnUVZ_jmdnZ2d(a)bright.net, "jim" <"sjedgingN0Sp"@m(a)mwt,net> wrote: > > > jim beam wrote: > >> >> so read the freakin' owners manual! > > How is that going to help someone with an out of control vehicle? > >> >> besides, unless this is absolutely the first time this person has ever >> sat behind the wheel of this vehicle, and hasn't yet turned it off, they >> will have LEARNED that the button needs to be pressed for THREE SECONDS >> to switch off the vehicle. duh. > > that may well be easy to do when you are stopped in your driveway, but > if you are careening down the highway at an unreasonably fast speed your > perception of how long 3 seconds is may be a tad altered. > > you are obviously a loon if you are trying to defend this as good > design. You both have your facts confused. It only takes three seconds to turn it off if its running down the road in gear. When its sitting in the driveway in Park, the normal state of cars about to be turned off, a single touch turns it off.
From: Elmo P. Shagnasty on 27 Feb 2010 13:31 In article <9s2dnVsW_tGz1BTWnZ2dnUVZ_tidnZ2d(a)speakeasy.net>, jim beam <me(a)privacy.net> wrote: > same with getting behind the wheel of a car dude - you are responsible > for familiarizing yourself with the controls before pressing the "start" > button. day 1, to self: "I don't need an owner's manual, I know how to drive." day 3, to Usenet: "Does anyone know how to set the radio station presets on my shiny new 2010 model $25,000 toy?" day 20, to Usenet: "The guy at the gas station told me I don't need 93 octane fuel, that I'm wasting my money! But I heard from a friend of the guy who works at the Taco Bell near me that 93 octane will give my Civic more power. Clearly, he's correct; I know it, I can feel it when I drive. One time my wife put 87 in by mistake, and this baby was hugely sluggish all around town until I drove around the outerbelt four times to get rid of it so I could put Kwiki-Mart 93 back in." day 45, to Usenet: "I took the car in for some warranty work, and Honda said it needs its 3000 mile service; is $450 too much?" day 93, to Usenet: "After Jiffy-Lube put engine oil into my auto trans and then overfilled my crankcase by a quart and a half, those bastards didn't reset my check engine light! Does anyone know how to reset that? And can anyone confirm that my system takes 10W40 oil? 'Cuz that's what they say they used." (yes, I know I used "check engine light" and "Honda said"; that was intentional...)
From: jim beam on 27 Feb 2010 13:38
On 02/27/2010 10:31 AM, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote: > In article<9s2dnVsW_tGz1BTWnZ2dnUVZ_tidnZ2d(a)speakeasy.net>, > jim beam<me(a)privacy.net> wrote: > >> same with getting behind the wheel of a car dude - you are responsible >> for familiarizing yourself with the controls before pressing the "start" >> button. > > day 1, to self: "I don't need an owner's manual, I know how to drive." > > day 3, to Usenet: "Does anyone know how to set the radio station > presets on my shiny new 2010 model $25,000 toy?" > > day 20, to Usenet: "The guy at the gas station told me I don't need 93 > octane fuel, that I'm wasting my money! But I heard from a friend of > the guy who works at the Taco Bell near me that 93 octane will give my > Civic more power. Clearly, he's correct; I know it, I can feel it when > I drive. One time my wife put 87 in by mistake, and this baby was > hugely sluggish all around town until I drove around the outerbelt four > times to get rid of it so I could put Kwiki-Mart 93 back in." > > day 45, to Usenet: "I took the car in for some warranty work, and Honda > said it needs its 3000 mile service; is $450 too much?" > > day 93, to Usenet: "After Jiffy-Lube put engine oil into my auto trans > and then overfilled my crankcase by a quart and a half, those bastards > didn't reset my check engine light! Does anyone know how to reset that? > And can anyone confirm that my system takes 10W40 oil? 'Cuz that's what > they say they used." > > > > (yes, I know I used "check engine light" and "Honda said"; that was > intentional...) right on. -- nomina rutrum rutrum |