Air filters inside the car?
in [Toyota]
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From: Ray O on 16 Mar 2010 15:31 "Scott in Florida" <MoveOn(a)Outa.here> wrote in message news:p3lvp5tvjj9etl2br8loas7mun2621lqh6(a)4ax.com... > On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 21:19:56 -0700, jim beam <me(a)privacy.net> wrote: > >>On 03/14/2010 01:47 PM, Devil's_Advocate wrote: >>> "C. E. White"<cewhite3(a)mindspring.com> wrote : >>> >>>> >>>> "Devil's_Advocate"<Devils_Advocate(a)devils_.xyx> wrote in message >>>> news:Xns9D3AEC16FE44EDevilsAdvocatedevils(a)216.196.97.142... >>>>> I was looking online at one of the newer Corollas and noticed an air >>>>> cleaner >>>>> listed as a feature on one. Is that inside the car, for the >>>>> passengers? >>>>> >>>>> Is it anything serious, or just a dust filter? >>>> >>>> Cabin air filters are an increasingly more popular item in cars. Most >>>> Toyotas have them now. I am not sure what you mean by "serious." They >>>> claim to remove pollen and other particultes. >>> >>> That's what I meant by "serious". A lot of the stuff that makes me sick >>> while I drive, is gases, not just particles. The HM200 that I adapted >>> for >>> the car, has 7 lbs of charcoal and other gas adsorbing stuff in it. It >>> helps about 50%, being there's no good way to really seal the car up >>> better. ( that I know of ) >>> >>> I've not seen much of an >>>> advantage to them, but I don't have any significant alleries. I know >>>> they do something becasue after a year they are full of trapped >>>> "stuff." >>>> However, it seems to me so much stuff comes in on your feet, or through >>>> open windows, they are never going to be more than partially effective. >>> >>> LOL We dont ever drive with the windows open, for the very reason that >>> we >>> get very sick, very fast, from exhaust emissions. >>> >> >>wear a gas mask. seriously. military grade handles almost all common >>nasties, and a few more besides. > > They do a damned good job on tear gas. Navy Boot used to make you wear > one, > then take it off. > > Life was MUCH better with it on... > > > -- > > Scott in Florida > At least the OP doesn't need a snot bucket by the exit from the gas room :-) -- Ray O (correct punctuation to reply)
From: jim beam on 16 Mar 2010 23:45 On 03/16/2010 12:31 PM, Ray O wrote: > "Scott in Florida"<MoveOn(a)Outa.here> wrote in message > news:p3lvp5tvjj9etl2br8loas7mun2621lqh6(a)4ax.com... >> On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 21:19:56 -0700, jim beam<me(a)privacy.net> wrote: >> >>> On 03/14/2010 01:47 PM, Devil's_Advocate wrote: >>>> "C. E. White"<cewhite3(a)mindspring.com> wrote : >>>> >>>>> >>>>> "Devil's_Advocate"<Devils_Advocate(a)devils_.xyx> wrote in message >>>>> news:Xns9D3AEC16FE44EDevilsAdvocatedevils(a)216.196.97.142... >>>>>> I was looking online at one of the newer Corollas and noticed an air >>>>>> cleaner >>>>>> listed as a feature on one. Is that inside the car, for the >>>>>> passengers? >>>>>> >>>>>> Is it anything serious, or just a dust filter? >>>>> >>>>> Cabin air filters are an increasingly more popular item in cars. Most >>>>> Toyotas have them now. I am not sure what you mean by "serious." They >>>>> claim to remove pollen and other particultes. >>>> >>>> That's what I meant by "serious". A lot of the stuff that makes me sick >>>> while I drive, is gases, not just particles. The HM200 that I adapted >>>> for >>>> the car, has 7 lbs of charcoal and other gas adsorbing stuff in it. It >>>> helps about 50%, being there's no good way to really seal the car up >>>> better. ( that I know of ) >>>> >>>> I've not seen much of an >>>>> advantage to them, but I don't have any significant alleries. I know >>>>> they do something becasue after a year they are full of trapped >>>>> "stuff." >>>>> However, it seems to me so much stuff comes in on your feet, or through >>>>> open windows, they are never going to be more than partially effective. >>>> >>>> LOL We dont ever drive with the windows open, for the very reason that >>>> we >>>> get very sick, very fast, from exhaust emissions. >>>> >>> >>> wear a gas mask. seriously. military grade handles almost all common >>> nasties, and a few more besides. >> >> They do a damned good job on tear gas. Navy Boot used to make you wear >> one, >> then take it off. >> >> Life was MUCH better with it on... >> >> >> -- >> >> Scott in Florida >> > > At least the OP doesn't need a snot bucket by the exit from the gas room :-) he doesn't know what he's missing! -- nomina rutrum rutrum
From: homepc on 17 Mar 2010 09:56 "Devil's_Advocate" <Devils_Advocate(a)devils_.xyx> wrote in message news:Xns9D3D4C475A10DevilsAdvocatedevils(a)216.196.97.142... > "C. E. White" <cewhite3remove(a)mindspring.com> wrote : > >> >> "Ray O" <rokigawa(a)NOSPAMtristarassociates.com> wrote in message >> news:hnk25c$uts$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >> >>> It depends on the car and filter. Some Lexus models have a pleated >>> filter with charcoal, and a gas sensor switches the ventilation system >>> from outside air to recirculated air when it detects certain gases like >>> diesel fumes. >> >> Wow..that is impressive. Have you experienced it. Are they effective? >> >> Ed >> > > I did some personal research over the years on home air filters and a lot > of what they call "charcoal filters" are a waste. They would use charcoal > impregnated filters that had 6 grams of carbon, for example. > > That was why we got into the Austin Air models for the house and car. ( I > have NO financial interest in them! ) We have 3 of their HM400's in the > house and they have HEPA and about 17 lbs of carbon media ( dont recall if > there was purafill in them too ). The HM200 that I mounted a seat belt > bracket on top of, and put behind the drivers seat of the Corolla, and run > off an inverter, has about 7 lbs of charcoal in it, and really helps how > we > feel when we drive. > > Needless to say, ANY filter is useless if someone smokes in the car and > we're both non-smokers and only drive with the windows closed ( otherwise > it also would render a filter useless ) and the vents shut ( > recirculate ). > > In fact with the 2002 Corolla we just bought, I noticed I was getting sick > on the drive home and figured out how to put it in recirculate mode. Seems > the button light has to be on, for it to do that. I figured it out by > turning the AC fan off. When recirc was off, the vents were open and air > was coming out of the vents anyway, even with the AC fan shut off. And I > could smell the outside fumes from traffic. When I pushed the button so > the > light lit up, the air stopped coming out when the fan was in OFF mode, so > the vents must have closed then. > One thing about recirculation air in your new Corolla. I don't know if yours works the same, but in my 2007 model the air recirculation button will only remain depressed if the air is set for floor and or dash board vents. If the air is set for defrosting/defogging windshields, the recirculation button will immediately pop up and refuse to stay locked down.
From: homepc on 17 Mar 2010 12:07 "homepc" <wiebe008(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:hnqn2a$5a6$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > > "Devil's_Advocate" <Devils_Advocate(a)devils_.xyx> wrote in message > news:Xns9D3D4C475A10DevilsAdvocatedevils(a)216.196.97.142... >> "C. E. White" <cewhite3remove(a)mindspring.com> wrote : >> >>> >>> "Ray O" <rokigawa(a)NOSPAMtristarassociates.com> wrote in message >>> news:hnk25c$uts$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>> >>>> It depends on the car and filter. Some Lexus models have a pleated >>>> filter with charcoal, and a gas sensor switches the ventilation system >>>> from outside air to recirculated air when it detects certain gases like >>>> diesel fumes. >>> >>> Wow..that is impressive. Have you experienced it. Are they effective? >>> >>> Ed >>> >> >> I did some personal research over the years on home air filters and a lot >> of what they call "charcoal filters" are a waste. They would use charcoal >> impregnated filters that had 6 grams of carbon, for example. >> >> That was why we got into the Austin Air models for the house and car. ( I >> have NO financial interest in them! ) We have 3 of their HM400's in the >> house and they have HEPA and about 17 lbs of carbon media ( dont recall >> if >> there was purafill in them too ). The HM200 that I mounted a seat belt >> bracket on top of, and put behind the drivers seat of the Corolla, and >> run >> off an inverter, has about 7 lbs of charcoal in it, and really helps how >> we >> feel when we drive. >> >> Needless to say, ANY filter is useless if someone smokes in the car and >> we're both non-smokers and only drive with the windows closed ( otherwise >> it also would render a filter useless ) and the vents shut ( >> recirculate ). >> >> In fact with the 2002 Corolla we just bought, I noticed I was getting >> sick >> on the drive home and figured out how to put it in recirculate mode. >> Seems >> the button light has to be on, for it to do that. I figured it out by >> turning the AC fan off. When recirc was off, the vents were open and air >> was coming out of the vents anyway, even with the AC fan shut off. And I >> could smell the outside fumes from traffic. When I pushed the button so >> the >> light lit up, the air stopped coming out when the fan was in OFF mode, so >> the vents must have closed then. >> > > > One thing about recirculation air in your new 2002 Corolla. I don't know > if yours works the same, but in my 2007 model the air recirculation button > will only remain depressed if the air is set for floor and or dash board > vents. If the air is set for defrosting/defogging windshields, the > recirculation button will immediately pop up and refuse to stay locked > down. > Another thing to consider about air recirculation -- your new Corolla has a catalytic converter that may emit the smell of rotten eggs occasionally. To constantly recirculation the cabin air might exasperate the problem if you very sensitive to bad air quality. I have changed over to Shell gasoline during the last winter in an effort to combat the problem.
From: Ray O on 17 Mar 2010 13:10
"homepc" <wiebe008(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:hnquna$vsa$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > <snipped> > > Another thing to consider about air recirculation -- your new Corolla has > a catalytic converter that may emit the smell of rotten eggs occasionally. > To constantly recirculation the cabin air might exasperate the problem if > you very sensitive to bad air quality. > > I have changed over to Shell gasoline during the last winter in an effort > to combat the problem. You may be able to reduce the rotten egg odor in the cabin by backing into a parking space or driveway if you are going to park it for more than 4 or 5 hours. This will wont work if you park in a garage, where it is usually not a good idea to back in. The sulfur odor is usually more prominent when the engine is first started after a cold soak, and by backing up after starting a cold engine, you drive through the fumes. By driving forward, the cabin air intake doesn't pass through the fumes. -- Ray O (correct punctuation to reply) |