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From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 25 Feb 2010 20:23 On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 19:10:03 -0600, Bob Cooper wrote: >> You're right they're not as reliable as Japanese cars, but nothing is as >> unreliable (India and China excepted) as an American car. > > And here we have Clive, a British expert on German, American, Chinese, > Indian, and Japanese cars. > He is a most welcome addition to our current team of world auto experts, > Jim Beam and HairyChoke. > With this team, rec.autos.tech is now ready to take global questions. We > are fortunate, indeed. It's Hachiroku. I knew you had some kind of reading deficiency. BTW, I do have something hairy that could choke you, if I swung that way. I don't, so you'll have to get your thrills elsewhere. My guess is you're jealous because some of us actually know something.
From: Bob Cooper on 26 Feb 2010 08:03 In article <hm77qg$stp$16(a)news.eternal-september.org>, Trueno(a)e86.GTS says... > > On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 19:10:03 -0600, Bob Cooper wrote: > > >> You're right they're not as reliable as Japanese cars, but nothing is as > >> unreliable (India and China excepted) as an American car. > > > > And here we have Clive, a British expert on German, American, Chinese, > > Indian, and Japanese cars. > > He is a most welcome addition to our current team of world auto experts, > > Jim Beam and HairyChoke. > > With this team, rec.autos.tech is now ready to take global questions. We > > are fortunate, indeed. > > It's Hachiroku. I knew you had some kind of reading deficiency. > > BTW, I do have something hairy that could choke you, if I swung that way. > I don't, so you'll have to get your thrills elsewhere. > Next step is a lot of cussing. > My guess is you're jealous because some of us actually know something. Nope. Appreciative. We've got Brit Electro-Clive, Toyota owning self-proclaimed expert on world wide car electrics, and novice America slammer. And Hairychoke, Toyota owning expert on (TBD), and apprentice Toyota defender/GM slammer. Leading the team is Jim (Gimme Another Shot) Beam , (owner of unknown) (expertise unknown) novice Toyota defender and Ford slammer, but journeyman drunken liar, bullshitter, and know-nothing generalist. The team has assembled in a Toyota newsgroup all dressed in their Toyota-patched, light weight, 100% synthetic, Velcro tabbed mechanic suits, which never get dirty because, well, Toyotas don't need repairing, and Nippo-Denso tin hats. The Nippo-Denso tin hats provide transport to rec.autos.tech, and send psycho gamma waves into their heads to convince them that rec.autos.tech is well-served by their expert musings and Toyota worship. Just another day on circus usenet. Makes it what it is. Enjoy. I am. But please, run all those Toyotas you've owned by me again. Haven't seen that in a few posts, and I really miss it. It's neat adding up all those Toyota mileage numbers until they hit a million and beyond. Gives me the chills. Better than wrenching.
From: Clive on 26 Feb 2010 10:26 In message <MPG.25f182a9eb22a1ac989699(a)news.eternal-september.org>, Bob Cooper <bc(a)nowhere.com> writes >In article <hm77qg$stp$16(a)news.eternal-september.org>, Trueno(a)e86.GTS >says... >> On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 19:10:03 -0600, Bob Cooper wrote: >> >> You're right they're not as reliable as Japanese cars, but nothing is as >> >> unreliable (India and China excepted) as an American car. >> > And here we have Clive, a British expert on German, American, Chinese, >> > Indian, and Japanese cars. I am not and have never claimed to be an expert and I have repeated often that my information comes from a Consumer Magazine, here in the UK called "Which?". They yearly send out questionnaires to their readership and in conjunction with other like magazines around Europe test a large range of many cars that are on sale here, if you want, I can copy their list in order of reliability. What is most important is that they never take advertisements from anyone so the don't have to keep anyone sweet. Before you deny anything regarding J.D. Power surveys, we get them too. But they carry adverts which are corrupting. I used to work with someone who did tests for magazines and if the product did not meet it's spec. Then it would be returned until one was delivered that did. Magazines make as much from advertising as they do from readership which is why unlike "which?" They are biased. >We've got Brit Electro-Clive, Toyota owning And Nissan owning. Other than that, yes I do know about electronics though I been retired about ten years and think that things could well have moved on since then. -- Clive
From: C. E. White on 26 Feb 2010 20:01 "Hachiroku ハチロク" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message news:hm9la9$ncu$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 07:03:40 -0600, Bob Cooper wrote: > >> But please, run all those Toyotas you've owned by me again. Haven't seen >> that in a few posts, and I really miss it. It's neat adding up all those >> Toyota mileage numbers until they hit a million and beyond. >> Gives me the chills. Better than wrenching. > > > Glad to: > > 1974 Toyota Corolla, 70,000 miles > 1972 Toyota Corona MKII, 35,000 miles > 1973 Volvo 1800ES 45,000 miles > 1972 Corona 42,000 miles > 1978 Toyota Corolla, 58,000 miles > 1980 Toyota Corolla 244,000 miles > 1985 Toyota Corolla GTS 258,000 miles > 1985 Toyota truck 32,000 miles > 1985 Toyota Celica 32,000 miles > 1987 Toyota Corolla 48,000 miles > 1988 Honda Accord 62,000 miles > 1994 Plymouth Grand Voyager 25,000 miles > 1994 Plymouth Grand Voyager 12,000 miles > 1994 Chrysler LHS 44,000 miles > > > Total 975,000 miles. I'm sure I left a couple out, but it's close enough > to a million to call it. If you add the 14,000 I've put on my Scion, and > the 22,000 I put on my Subaru, I'm sure we're there. Nice list, but I am sure my parent could add to a lot more miles than that driving Fords. Heck, I can beat that just adding up the miles I've drivin in Fords sine 1972 (when I bought my first car) and I have significant periods of driving vehciels from other manufacturers... Let me think (miles orunded off to the nearest 10 thousands): *1972 Pinto - 110,000 (but 30,000k were done by a Sister - I gave her the car, she drove it for three years, then gave it back) *1973 Pinto - 100,000 (but I only did 10,000 of them - it was another Sisters car, that I bought after wrecking my Jensen-Healey. I drove it for about 4 months while I was rebuilding the J-H) *1978 Ford Courier - 80,000 miles (but I only drove it about 10,000 miles, my Father gave it to me when he got a new farm truck. I hated it). *1978 Fairmont - 32,000 miles (I hated the car, but it was reliable) *1978 Ford Fiesta - 140,000 miles (but I only did 70,000 - I biught it from a sister to use as a comuter car) *1986 Mercury Sable - 143,000 (all mine) *1986 Ford Ranger (90,000 mile, but I only drove it about 30,000 miles - it was totalled in an accident. My Father gave it to me when he got a new farm truck) *1989 Ford Taurus Wagon - 10,000+ - the ex-wife got it beforre I drove it much *1992 F150 - 110,000 (all mine) *1996 Ford Explorer - 32,000 (al mine, but I didn't really liek the vehicle) *1997 Ford Expedition - 149,000 *2001 Ford Mustang GT- 40,0000 (got rid of it before my son turned 16) *2003 Ford Expedition - 100,000 (got rid of it when my kids stopped riding with me) *2004 Ford Thunderbird - 32,000 (I loved the car, but it was impractical) *2001 Mercury Grand Marquis (100,000 miles, but onloy 10,00 were mine - it was my Mom's car and I drove it for a while after she got a new car - I hated it) *2007 Ford Fusion - 64,000 and counting *2009 F150 - 34,000 and counting That is around 1,056,000 miles in Fords driven by me that I owned for at least part of theierexistence. I probably drove Ford's owned by my parents at least another 30,000 miles. I probably did another 300,000 miles in a combination of US and foreign vehciles (Datsun, Nissans, Toyota, Mazda, various British cars, Saturn, Plymouth, etc.). In all those miles in Fords, I only ever had one major problem - the 19789 Fairmont was delivered with a severe water leak that the dealer could not fix. I finally fixed it myself. I hated the car (only car I ever owned with a vinyl roof). I am not sure what possesed me to buy it. As soon as I could afford to dump it, I did. Ed
From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 26 Feb 2010 21:19
On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 20:01:52 -0500, C. E. White wrote: > In all those miles in > Fords, I only ever had one major problem - the 19789 Fairmont was > delivered with a severe water leak that the dealer could not fix. I > finally fixed it myself. I hated the car (only car I ever owned with a > vinyl roof). I am not sure what possesed me to buy it. As soon as I could > afford to dump it, I did. 1980 Merc Zephyr, same car as the Fairmont...three transmissions, all on Ford, thank you, and when it started hesitating my Mom almost got caught in an intersection getting t-boned and said, "That's it" and from then on there wasn't another Domestic product in our family until I got the Chryslers. Oh, and I forgot...37,000 greuling miles in a Jetta. In all cases, all miles driven were by me, even though others drove some of them. Quite impressive...how did YOU rack up all those miles?!?! Mile were from50+ mile treks to work, Canada a few times (a LOT) and just general I feel like going for a cruise today... I was averaging 35-40,000 miles a year for a LONG time! |