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From: ransley on 3 Feb 2010 20:23 On Feb 3, 7:06 pm, Hachiroku ハチロク <Tru...(a)e86.GTS> wrote: > On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 17:37:47 -0500, David Z wrote: > >> I am going to assume that this WILL be a fix, but I will not forget how > >> to shift to > >> neutral, brake, and punch the button. > > > That's another unanswered question I have. I can understand that the > > patrol officer was unaware that you need to hold the start button down for > > at least 3 seconds to shut the engine off. But how could he, or any of > > the other 3 (?) people in the car, not know how to shift the car into > > neutral? > > Supposedly he had moved the shift lever to the Sport Shift position, where > average or below average drivers can fancy themselves as Michael > Schumacher at the Nurburgring. He had time to dial 911, but not to check > the gearshift lever. > > It was also a car supplied as a loaner. I said in another post people have > become too complacent in their driving. KNOW the vehicle you are driving, > and how to control it in an emergency. EVERY TIME a pilot gets into a > plane he has flown 1,000 times, he goes through a checklist. > > > > > Also, you snipped and ignored my main question -- why isn't the ES350 > > included in the recall since it was an ES350 that initially publicized > > this problem? > > It was the floor mats in that case. Not the Japan sourced gas pedal. More likely he was at fault and called 911 after the accident and the car was stopped. I dont think anybody would be able to get their phone, dial, send, wait, then talk, or even think of that while a crash was in view. I would do Neutral or R or P and emergency brake, then ignition, then Call 911. These guys do have training on cars.
From: Vic Smith on 3 Feb 2010 20:23 On Wed, 3 Feb 2010 19:57:11 -0500, "David Z" <me(a)privacy.net> wrote: >"Vic Smith" <thismailautodeleted(a)comcast.net> wrote in message >news:ob1km5tg2ua5pg1ql7tialac583t0u7bbn(a)4ax.com... >> On Wed, 3 Feb 2010 17:37:47 -0500, "David Z" <me(a)privacy.net> wrote: >> >>> >>>That's another unanswered question I have. I can understand that the >>>patrol >>>officer was unaware that you need to hold the start button down for at >>>least >>>3 seconds to shut the engine off. But how could he, or any of the other 3 >>>(?) people in the car, not know how to shift the car into neutral? >>> >> I think Tegger answered that question. Something about different >> shift modes on the shifter. More unnecessary complication. > >What does that mean? > >Is he saying that, in some "shift mode," the ES doesn't allow you to shift >from Drive to Neutral? at high speed? What "shift mode" would that be? > Don't know. Too complicated for me. Ask him. I don't even like that button on my Grand Am shifter that has to be depressed to move the shift lever. --Vic
From: David Z on 3 Feb 2010 21:29 "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message news:pan.2010.02.04.01.05.57.193222(a)e86.GTS... > On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 17:37:47 -0500, David Z wrote: > >>> I am going to assume that this WILL be a fix, but I will not forget how >>> to shift to >>> neutral, brake, and punch the button. >> >> That's another unanswered question I have. I can understand that the >> patrol officer was unaware that you need to hold the start button down >> for >> at least 3 seconds to shut the engine off. But how could he, or any of >> the other 3 (?) people in the car, not know how to shift the car into >> neutral? > > Supposedly he had moved the shift lever to the Sport Shift position... Are you saying that you can't easily shift from drive to neutral in "the Sport Shift position?" > ...where average or below average drivers can fancy themselves as Michael > Schumacher at the Nurburgring. He had time to dial 911, but not to check > the gearshift lever. I heard the 911 call a few times. He had plenty of time. At least 30 seconds or more. I would need no more than 1 or 2 seconds to shift from drive to neutral. > It was also a car supplied as a loaner. I said in another post people have > become too complacent in their driving. KNOW the vehicle you are driving, > and how to control it in an emergency. EVERY TIME a pilot gets into a > plane he has flown 1,000 times, he goes through a checklist. > > >> >> Also, you snipped and ignored my main question -- why isn't the ES350 >> included in the recall since it was an ES350 that initially publicized >> this problem? > > It was the floor mats in that case. Not the Japan sourced gas pedal. Like I said before, it stretches credulity to say that these problems are not related.
From: David Z on 3 Feb 2010 21:32 "ransley" <Mark_Ransley(a)Yahoo.com> wrote in message news:d08d664f-de4d-44ec-a66f-79f4f0d3a9a3(a)u41g2000yqe.googlegroups.com... > On Feb 3, 7:06 pm, Hachiroku ハチロク <Tru...(a)e86.GTS> wrote: >> On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 17:37:47 -0500, David Z wrote: >> >> I am going to assume that this WILL be a fix, but I will not forget >> >> how >> >> to shift to >> >> neutral, brake, and punch the button. >> >> > That's another unanswered question I have. I can understand that the >> > patrol officer was unaware that you need to hold the start button down >> > for >> > at least 3 seconds to shut the engine off. But how could he, or any of >> > the other 3 (?) people in the car, not know how to shift the car into >> > neutral? >> >> Supposedly he had moved the shift lever to the Sport Shift position, >> where >> average or below average drivers can fancy themselves as Michael >> Schumacher at the Nurburgring. He had time to dial 911, but not to check >> the gearshift lever. >> >> It was also a car supplied as a loaner. I said in another post people >> have >> become too complacent in their driving. KNOW the vehicle you are driving, >> and how to control it in an emergency. EVERY TIME a pilot gets into a >> plane he has flown 1,000 times, he goes through a checklist. >> >> >> >> > Also, you snipped and ignored my main question -- why isn't the ES350 >> > included in the recall since it was an ES350 that initially publicized >> > this problem? >> >> It was the floor mats in that case. Not the Japan sourced gas pedal. > > More likely he was at fault and called 911 after the accident and the > car was stopped. I dont think anybody would be able to get their > phone, dial, send, wait, then talk, or even think of that while a > crash was in view. I would do Neutral or R or P and emergency brake, > then ignition, then Call 911. These guys do have training on cars. He crashed at about 120 mph. He was dead on impact.
From: David Z on 3 Feb 2010 21:37
"David Z" <me(a)privacy.net> wrote in message news:7supq7FqvU1(a)mid.individual.net... > "ransley" <Mark_Ransley(a)Yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:d08d664f-de4d-44ec-a66f-79f4f0d3a9a3(a)u41g2000yqe.googlegroups.com... >> On Feb 3, 7:06 pm, Hachiroku ハチロク <Tru...(a)e86.GTS> wrote: >>> On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 17:37:47 -0500, David Z wrote: >>> >> I am going to assume that this WILL be a fix, but I will not forget >>> >> how >>> >> to shift to >>> >> neutral, brake, and punch the button. >>> >>> > That's another unanswered question I have. I can understand that the >>> > patrol officer was unaware that you need to hold the start button down >>> > for >>> > at least 3 seconds to shut the engine off. But how could he, or any >>> > of >>> > the other 3 (?) people in the car, not know how to shift the car into >>> > neutral? >>> >>> Supposedly he had moved the shift lever to the Sport Shift position, >>> where >>> average or below average drivers can fancy themselves as Michael >>> Schumacher at the Nurburgring. He had time to dial 911, but not to check >>> the gearshift lever. >>> >>> It was also a car supplied as a loaner. I said in another post people >>> have >>> become too complacent in their driving. KNOW the vehicle you are >>> driving, >>> and how to control it in an emergency. EVERY TIME a pilot gets into a >>> plane he has flown 1,000 times, he goes through a checklist. >>> >>> >>> >>> > Also, you snipped and ignored my main question -- why isn't the ES350 >>> > included in the recall since it was an ES350 that initially publicized >>> > this problem? >>> >>> It was the floor mats in that case. Not the Japan sourced gas pedal. >> >> More likely he was at fault and called 911 after the accident and the >> car was stopped. I dont think anybody would be able to get their >> phone, dial, send, wait, then talk, or even think of that while a >> crash was in view. I would do Neutral or R or P and emergency brake, >> then ignition, then Call 911. These guys do have training on cars. > > He crashed at about 120 mph. He was dead on impact. Actually, he may have died in the fire and explosion from the crash. In any event, listening to the 911 call, there's absolutely no doubt that the 911 call was prior to the crash. If you google it you may be able to listen to the call. From reading your post, I doubt you've even heard the call. |