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From: FridoLay on 2 Mar 2010 17:00
On 3/1/2010 11:30 PM, Hachiroku ハチロク wrote:
> On Mon, 01 Mar 2010 20:29:55 -0600, hls wrote:
>
>>
>> "Hachiroku ハチロク"<Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message
>> news:hmho88$7q5$1(a)news.eternal-september.org...
>>> On Mon, 01 Mar 2010 17:27:44 -0600, hls wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> "Tom"<tc(a)comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:hmhhek$so2$1(a)news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>> Toyota to issue a limited service recall for an oil leak in a hose
>>>>> that will damage the engine
>>>>> 933,000 toyotas
>>>>> wonder how the gm detractors in this group will spin it as gms fault
>>>>> and the toyota group will say its good and proactive by toyota or
>>>>> other manf. have done it, or its driver fault.
>>>>>
>>>>> its all part of the quality one manf. is no better than the other
>>>>
>>>> GM has its own cross to bear, for shitty products, shitty service, and
>>>> shitty customer relations.
>>>> Toyota may fall into the same trap. We'll wait, cautiously, and see.
>>>
>>> *May* ?
>>>
>>> They are, and falling hard! In an effort to become #1 in the world, they
>>> have forgotten a lot of what made their customers loyal in the first
>>> place.
>>
>>
>> Yes, I have talked to the Toyota people lately, and they have given me the
>> information I needed quickly and without prevarication.
>>
>> The cars, and you know we have two of them, have performed perfectly.
>>
>> We will see.
>
>
> Customer Care is not as knowledgable as they used to be, I can tell you
> that.
>
> They used to have some real tech-savvy people there. Now they are just
> plain old Customer Service reps reading from scripts.
>
>

They've sold their souls for the bottom line. Plain as day to anyone
awake. The astute will move on. http://www.hyundaiusa.com/index.aspx
makes some decent deals but like Toyota, it won't be forever.

From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 2 Mar 2010 17:55
On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 17:00:50 -0500, FridoLay wrote:

> On 3/1/2010 11:30 PM, Hachiroku ハチロク wrote:
>> On Mon, 01 Mar 2010 20:29:55 -0600, hls wrote:
>>
>>
>>> "Hachiroku ハチロク"<Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message
>>> news:hmho88$7q5$1(a)news.eternal-september.org...
>>>> On Mon, 01 Mar 2010 17:27:44 -0600, hls wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> "Tom"<tc(a)comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:hmhhek$so2$1(a)news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>> Toyota to issue a limited service recall for an oil leak in a hose
>>>>>> that will damage the engine
>>>>>> 933,000 toyotas
>>>>>> wonder how the gm detractors in this group will spin it as gms fault
>>>>>> and the toyota group will say its good and proactive by toyota or
>>>>>> other manf. have done it, or its driver fault.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> its all part of the quality one manf. is no better than the other
>>>>>
>>>>> GM has its own cross to bear, for shitty products, shitty service,
>>>>> and shitty customer relations.
>>>>> Toyota may fall into the same trap. We'll wait, cautiously, and see.
>>>>
>>>> *May* ?
>>>>
>>>> They are, and falling hard! In an effort to become #1 in the world,
>>>> they have forgotten a lot of what made their customers loyal in the
>>>> first place.
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, I have talked to the Toyota people lately, and they have given me
>>> the information I needed quickly and without prevarication.
>>>
>>> The cars, and you know we have two of them, have performed perfectly.
>>>
>>> We will see.
>>
>>
>> Customer Care is not as knowledgable as they used to be, I can tell you
>> that.
>>
>> They used to have some real tech-savvy people there. Now they are just
>> plain old Customer Service reps reading from scripts.
>>
>>
>>
> They've sold their souls for the bottom line. Plain as day to anyone
> awake. The astute will move on. http://www.hyundaiusa.com/index.aspx makes
> some decent deals but like Toyota, it won't be forever.


I like this:

http://www.hyundaiusa.com/genesis-coupe/

360Z Performance at a Buick price!


From: Jim Higgins on 2 Mar 2010 18:25
Hachiroku ハチロク wrote:
> On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 17:00:50 -0500, FridoLay wrote:
>
>> On 3/1/2010 11:30 PM, Hachiroku ハチロク wrote:
>>> On Mon, 01 Mar 2010 20:29:55 -0600, hls wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> "Hachiroku ハチロク"<Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message
>>>> news:hmho88$7q5$1(a)news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>> On Mon, 01 Mar 2010 17:27:44 -0600, hls wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Tom"<tc(a)comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:hmhhek$so2$1(a)news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>>> Toyota to issue a limited service recall for an oil leak in a hose
>>>>>>> that will damage the engine
>>>>>>> 933,000 toyotas
>>>>>>> wonder how the gm detractors in this group will spin it as gms fault
>>>>>>> and the toyota group will say its good and proactive by toyota or
>>>>>>> other manf. have done it, or its driver fault.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> its all part of the quality one manf. is no better than the other
>>>>>> GM has its own cross to bear, for shitty products, shitty service,
>>>>>> and shitty customer relations.
>>>>>> Toyota may fall into the same trap. We'll wait, cautiously, and see.
>>>>> *May* ?
>>>>>
>>>>> They are, and falling hard! In an effort to become #1 in the world,
>>>>> they have forgotten a lot of what made their customers loyal in the
>>>>> first place.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, I have talked to the Toyota people lately, and they have given me
>>>> the information I needed quickly and without prevarication.
>>>>
>>>> The cars, and you know we have two of them, have performed perfectly.
>>>>
>>>> We will see.
>>>
>>> Customer Care is not as knowledgable as they used to be, I can tell you
>>> that.
>>>
>>> They used to have some real tech-savvy people there. Now they are just
>>> plain old Customer Service reps reading from scripts.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> They've sold their souls for the bottom line. Plain as day to anyone
>> awake. The astute will move on. http://www.hyundaiusa.com/index.aspx makes
>> some decent deals but like Toyota, it won't be forever.
>
>
> I like this:
>
> http://www.hyundaiusa.com/genesis-coupe/
>
> 360Z Performance at a Buick price!
>
>

N I C E :-)

--
Civis Romanus Sum
From: Ed Pawlowski on 2 Mar 2010 22:12


"FridoLay" <FridoLay12(a)aol.com> wrote
>
> They've sold their souls for the bottom line. Plain as day to anyone
> awake. The astute will move on. http://www.hyundaiusa.com/index.aspx makes
> some decent deals but like Toyota, it won't be forever.
>

Bought my second Hyundai a few months ago. My Sonata was the most reliable
car I've ever owned. I hope they can keep it up.

From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 2 Mar 2010 23:40
On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 18:25:13 -0500, Jim Higgins wrote:

> Hachiroku ハチロク wrote:
>> On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 17:00:50 -0500, FridoLay wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/1/2010 11:30 PM, Hachiroku ハチロク wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 01 Mar 2010 20:29:55 -0600, hls wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> "Hachiroku ハチロク"<Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message
>>>>> news:hmho88$7q5$1(a)news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>> On Mon, 01 Mar 2010 17:27:44 -0600, hls wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Tom"<tc(a)comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:hmhhek$so2$1(a)news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>>>> Toyota to issue a limited service recall for an oil leak in a hose
>>>>>>>> that will damage the engine
>>>>>>>> 933,000 toyotas
>>>>>>>> wonder how the gm detractors in this group will spin it as gms
>>>>>>>> fault and the toyota group will say its good and proactive by
>>>>>>>> toyota or other manf. have done it, or its driver fault.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> its all part of the quality one manf. is no better than the other
>>>>>>> GM has its own cross to bear, for shitty products, shitty service,
>>>>>>> and shitty customer relations.
>>>>>>> Toyota may fall into the same trap. We'll wait, cautiously, and
>>>>>>> see.
>>>>>> *May* ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They are, and falling hard! In an effort to become #1 in the world,
>>>>>> they have forgotten a lot of what made their customers loyal in the
>>>>>> first place.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, I have talked to the Toyota people lately, and they have given
>>>>> me the information I needed quickly and without prevarication.
>>>>>
>>>>> The cars, and you know we have two of them, have performed perfectly.
>>>>>
>>>>> We will see.
>>>>
>>>> Customer Care is not as knowledgable as they used to be, I can tell
>>>> you that.
>>>>
>>>> They used to have some real tech-savvy people there. Now they are just
>>>> plain old Customer Service reps reading from scripts.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> They've sold their souls for the bottom line. Plain as day to anyone
>>> awake. The astute will move on. http://www.hyundaiusa.com/index.aspx
>>> makes some decent deals but like Toyota, it won't be forever.
>>
>>
>> I like this:
>>
>> http://www.hyundaiusa.com/genesis-coupe/
>>
>> 360Z Performance at a Buick price!
>>
>>
>>
> N I C E :-)


But the Tiburon is gone. At first I thought they were weird looking, but
the looks have grown on me.


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