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From: Tom on 1 Mar 2010 18:09
Toyota to issue a limited service recall for an oil leak in a hose that will
damage the engine
933,000 toyotas
wonder how the gm detractors in this group will spin it as gms fault and the
toyota group will say its good and proactive by toyota or other manf. have
done it, or its driver fault.

its all part of the quality one manf. is no better than the other

From: hls on 1 Mar 2010 18:27

"Tom" <tc(a)comcast.net> wrote in message
news:hmhhek$so2$1(a)news.eternal-september.org...
> Toyota to issue a limited service recall for an oil leak in a hose that
> will damage the engine
> 933,000 toyotas
> wonder how the gm detractors in this group will spin it as gms fault and
> the toyota group will say its good and proactive by toyota or other manf.
> have done it, or its driver fault.
>
> its all part of the quality one manf. is no better than the other

GM has its own cross to bear, for shitty products, shitty service, and
shitty customer relations.
Toyota may fall into the same trap. We'll wait, cautiously, and see.


From: Jim Higgins on 1 Mar 2010 18:59
dbu'' wrote:
> In article <hmhhek$so2$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>,
> "Tom" <tc(a)comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Toyota to issue a limited service recall for an oil leak in a hose that will
>> damage the engine
>> 933,000 toyotas
>> wonder how the gm detractors in this group will spin it as gms fault and the
>> toyota group will say its good and proactive by toyota or other manf. have
>> done it, or its driver fault.
>>
>> its all part of the quality one manf. is no better than the other
>
> My major maintenance headache with Toyota and my 2004 Sienna, bought in
> Sept 03, is oil changes, oil changes, oil changes. Not even a wiper
> blade to change yet. I might have to change out the battery before next
> winter when it will be seven years old. I don't know, but these
> Toyota's are veeeerrrrrrrrry boring. But I'm deliriously happy about
> it.

Boring is good.

--
Civis Romanus Sum
From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 1 Mar 2010 20:05
On Mon, 01 Mar 2010 17:27:44 -0600, hls wrote:

>
> "Tom" <tc(a)comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:hmhhek$so2$1(a)news.eternal-september.org...
>> Toyota to issue a limited service recall for an oil leak in a hose that
>> will damage the engine
>> 933,000 toyotas
>> wonder how the gm detractors in this group will spin it as gms fault and
>> the toyota group will say its good and proactive by toyota or other
>> manf. have done it, or its driver fault.
>>
>> its all part of the quality one manf. is no better than the other
>
> GM has its own cross to bear, for shitty products, shitty service, and
> shitty customer relations.
> Toyota may fall into the same trap. We'll wait, cautiously, and see.

*May* ?

They are, and falling hard! In an effort to become #1 in the world, they
have forgotten a lot of what made their customers loyal in the first place.
Have you called "Customer Care" recently? Amazing what a difference 10
years can make. When I would call about my Corolla they could tell me
almost anything. Now, it's "What's a GTS? No, I don;t know anything about
that." Granted, last time I called the car was 18 years old, but prior
calls to Customer service yielded far better results.

Also, their lack of willingness to help with customer concerns is apparent
as well.

Their quality is getting worse, customer service is getting worse,
dealer's attention to customers is getting worse (I heard a salesman when
I was working for a dealer tell a customer a total lie about the car; it
trned out the customer knew more about the car than the salesman. That
didn't happen in the 'old days'.) No, the dealer issue is because the Big
Guys found a Toyota dealership was about as good as printing your own
money, and bought the dealerships they wouldn't have touched 40 years ago
for Stupid Money; the families that knew the business and owned the
dealerships for generations in some cases laughed all the way to the bank.
I bought my Scion from an "old School" dealer, but still the salespeople
were slick and the dealership overly polished.

Too much has gone into perceptions and has gone away from the experience.



From: Canuck57 on 1 Mar 2010 21:00
On 01/03/2010 4:27 PM, hls wrote:
>
> "Tom" <tc(a)comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:hmhhek$so2$1(a)news.eternal-september.org...
>> Toyota to issue a limited service recall for an oil leak in a hose
>> that will damage the engine
>> 933,000 toyotas
>> wonder how the gm detractors in this group will spin it as gms fault
>> and the toyota group will say its good and proactive by toyota or
>> other manf. have done it, or its driver fault.
>>
>> its all part of the quality one manf. is no better than the other
>
> GM has its own cross to bear, for shitty products, shitty service, and
> shitty customer relations.
> Toyota may fall into the same trap. We'll wait, cautiously, and see.

But Toyota still has one HUGE advantage.

They are not sucking money from my pocket via taxation for dysfunctional
corporations and Obama maxism.

And I don't buy this all of a sudden Congress-GM-NHTSA team is just
discovering anything with Toyota, their own data shows Toyota 3 times
better than GM. Yet they make a big deal?

Even if Congress-GM-NHTSA team corrupting is right, one had better ask
why NHTSA was so internally corrupt for so long. Right now Obama,
congress, GM are so desperate to set off for a good Volt show, I
wouldn't put anything past them at all.

--
Socialists panic at anything, they have nothing else in their minds.
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