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From: chuckcar on 26 Mar 2010 18:30
Tegger <invalid(a)invalid.inv> wrote in
news:Xns9D474ED1BCD25tegger(a)208.90.168.18:

> chuckcar <chuck(a)nil.car> wrote in news:Xns9D474BA4D988chuck(a)127.0.0.1:
>
>> Tegger <invalid(a)invalid.inv> wrote in
>> news:Xns9D46DE616F236tegger(a)208.90.168.18:
>
>>>
>>> but nobody's alleging tampering. Instead the allegations are
>>> of defects from the factory, and that's where the silliness comes
>>> in.
>>>
>> Perhaps, I'll reserve my judgement on that until I see some real
>> conclusions in this Toyota mess. It could easily be minor bugs in the
>> actual ROMS however. Extremely doubtful, but always a possibility.
>>
>>
>
>
>
> Why do you keep setting a Followup to rec.autos.tech?

Because I only read that group.

> I only
> crossposted to three groups, all of which have had extensive
> discussions regarding this matter, and all which I thought would
> benefit from a discussion of the article I originally referenced (and
> which only Ed White seems to have actually read).
>
To further explain, my newservers are touchy about posting to numerous
groups without using a follow-up header, so I frequently error on the
side of caution. However being only three groups, I will desist if you
prefer.


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From: Mike Hunter on 26 Mar 2010 18:57
Depends, did the brakes fail as is the case with the Prius?


"dbu''" <nospam(a)nobama.com.invalid> wrote in message
news:UYidnbNSJIdJuTDWnZ2dnUVZ_oSdnZ2d(a)giganews.com...
> In article <4bad0d33$0$16539$ce5e7886(a)news-radius.ptd.net>,
> "Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2(a)lycos,com> wrote:
>
>> I Had a scary experience this morning. I was driving in heavy traffic
>> when
>> a woman came up behind me driving a Toyota. She had her cell phone to
>> her
>> ear in her right hand and a cigarette in the other. I was relieved when
>> she turn left, but they guy she cut in front of, was a bit rattled. ;)
>
> Funny, but I saw a bike rider today talking on a cell phone while riding
> across a busy intersection, then like a dummy crashed into a concrete
> fence. I think he was ok, picking his bike and himself off the
> pavement. Wonder who should be sued, the builder of the fence, the bike
> or the cell phone mfg?
>
>
>>
>>
>> "croy" <hate(a)spam.invalid.net> wrote in message
>> news:3g0qq5l1qc2g54l2uvoffs48rlvddploep(a)4ax.com...
>> > On Fri, 26 Mar 2010 02:00:07 +0000 (UTC), Tegger
>> > <invalid(a)invalid.inv> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >>A Toyota MDT told me this. He and his cohorts have received
>> >>extensive factory training on the electronic throttle as part of the
>> >>normal
>> >>dealership-tech training. And they've had some very intensive additions
>> >>to that training on account of the recent controversies
>> >
>> >
>> > Any company that make electronic devices that *shouldn't* be
>> > crackable, is very likely to advertise that they *aren't*
>> > crackable. Think electronic voting machines.
>> >
>> > After all, if the makers thought the devices were, indeed,
>> > crackable, they wouldn't really have a marketable product,
>> > would they? So even if they new, or just thought that the
>> > device might be crackable, they're are never going to admit
>> > it--rather they will emphatically advertise/teach that the
>> > device "IS NOT CRACKABLE!".
>> >
>> > --
>> > croy
> --
>


From: Tegger on 26 Mar 2010 20:11
chuckcar <chuck(a)nil.car> wrote in news:Xns9D47A485FCB3Achuck(a)127.0.0.1:

> Tegger <invalid(a)invalid.inv> wrote in
> news:Xns9D474ED1BCD25tegger(a)208.90.168.18:
>

>>
>> Why do you keep setting a Followup to rec.autos.tech?
>
> Because I only read that group.



That's fair. But I read all three.


>
>> I only
>> crossposted to three groups, all of which have had extensive
>> discussions regarding this matter, and all which I thought would
>> benefit from a discussion of the article I originally referenced (and
>> which only Ed White seems to have actually read).
>>
> To further explain, my newservers are touchy about posting to numerous
> groups without using a follow-up header, so I frequently error on the
> side of caution.



Mine appears to be touchy as well. Not all my replies always appear in all
three groups. I've just asked my admin.



> However being only three groups, I will desist if you
> prefer.
>


The three groups I crossposted to all have had discussions regarding the
throttle issue. I thought I had relevant information to pass on, and also
thought the expected subsequent discussion might prove entertaining and
enlightening for all, especially if it flushed out some new info that had
not been heretofore posted. If crossposting is removed, threads that
develop in the various groups become independent, none of them knowing what
happened in the other groups.

Having said that, it appears that most of the discussion has ended up being
in rec.autos.tech, so maybe I shouldn't have bothered crossposting in the
first place...

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Tegger

From: Stewart on 27 Mar 2010 01:26

"Tegger" <invalid(a)invalid.inv> wrote in message
news:Xns9D46D48D312C4tegger(a)208.90.168.18...
> ...just why Sudden Unintended Acceleration is virtually impossible.
>
> <http://www.popularmechanics.com/automotive/how_to/4347704.html>
>
> The author does not mention it, but the NHTSA closely regulates the
> design
> of the electronic throttle and its firmware. It is, by design, not
> possible
> to "hack" into the firmware in order to modify or disable it.
>
> --
> Tegger
>

Now I'm not sure about Toyota, but there was something disturbing
about my daughters car, a 2005 Saturn Vue. GM had a recall on the CVT
transmissions in these. Of course, since they went through bankruptcy
GM believes that they no longer need to honor the recall, but anyway,
I will digress.....

The dealer replaced the transmission (GM did pay 50%), and for the
first few days, the car was fine. About 5 days after bringing the car
home from the shop, while in the garage she started the vehicle one
morning. The engine raced on it's own, and the speedo was reading
about 50 mph even though the car was in park and the pedal wasn't
being pressed. She turned it off, and called me in...and I started it
up and the same thing happened.

I called the dealer and explained what happened. The rep put me on
hold, came back about 3 minutes later and told me in no uncertain
terms not to drive the car (which I pretty much figured myself, duh),
they will pick it up. They were at my house with a tow truck within
half an hour, took the car and gave us a rental until another
replacement transmission arrived and was installed.

I've asked them numerous times what from the transmission would make
that happen...some kind of sensor with a feedback into the motor?
They would not give me a straight answer on this, but it sure makes me
wonder....



From: jim beam on 27 Mar 2010 09:59
On 03/26/2010 10:26 PM, Stewart wrote:
> "Tegger"<invalid(a)invalid.inv> wrote in message
> news:Xns9D46D48D312C4tegger(a)208.90.168.18...
>> ...just why Sudden Unintended Acceleration is virtually impossible.
>>
>> <http://www.popularmechanics.com/automotive/how_to/4347704.html>
>>
>> The author does not mention it, but the NHTSA closely regulates the
>> design
>> of the electronic throttle and its firmware. It is, by design, not
>> possible
>> to "hack" into the firmware in order to modify or disable it.
>>
>> --
>> Tegger
>>
>
> Now I'm not sure about Toyota, but there was something disturbing
> about my daughters car, a 2005 Saturn Vue. GM had a recall on the CVT
> transmissions in these. Of course, since they went through bankruptcy
> GM believes that they no longer need to honor the recall, but anyway,
> I will digress.....
>
> The dealer replaced the transmission (GM did pay 50%), and for the
> first few days, the car was fine. About 5 days after bringing the car
> home from the shop, while in the garage she started the vehicle one
> morning. The engine raced on it's own, and the speedo was reading
> about 50 mph even though the car was in park and the pedal wasn't
> being pressed. She turned it off, and called me in...and I started it
> up and the same thing happened.
>
> I called the dealer and explained what happened. The rep put me on
> hold, came back about 3 minutes later and told me in no uncertain
> terms not to drive the car (which I pretty much figured myself, duh),
> they will pick it up. They were at my house with a tow truck within
> half an hour, took the car and gave us a rental until another
> replacement transmission arrived and was installed.
>
> I've asked them numerous times what from the transmission would make
> that happen...some kind of sensor with a feedback into the motor?
> They would not give me a straight answer on this, but it sure makes me
> wonder....
>
>
>

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