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From: David Z on 21 Apr 2010 19:42
"David Z" <me(a)privacy.net> wrote in message
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> "me" <noemail(a)nothere.com> wrote in message
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>> On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 00:12:19 -1000, dsi1 <dsi1(a)spamnet.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Thanks for the info. I'll have to check this out when I see an 86 Toyota.
>>
>> You'll have to, because I certainly won't be... that was the third
>> Toyota I owned, but the last. So, I don't know when they moved to a
>> better design like other manufacturers were using. Not that other
>> manufacturers like Nissan, Honda, etc haven't had their issues too,
>> and American history on engineering and defects is sometimes quite the
>> hoot. But, I didn't need to be jerked around again by corporate
>> attorneys when my car needed a simple $300 warranty repair due to bad
>> design.
>
> What do you own/drive now?

Well? By your own standard, your whine doesn't hold water unless you can
name a car brand that does better by its customers. What do you drive/own?


From: dsi1 on 21 Apr 2010 19:54
On 4/21/2010 1:42 PM, David Z wrote:
> "David Z"<me(a)privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:830vcmFhi2U1(a)mid.individual.net...
>> "me"<noemail(a)nothere.com> wrote in message
>> news:lgfms59fi9bs5ne8du47h67qtvpi9va523(a)4ax.com...
>>> On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 00:12:19 -1000, dsi1<dsi1(a)spamnet.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks for the info. I'll have to check this out when I see an 86 Toyota.
>>>
>>> You'll have to, because I certainly won't be... that was the third
>>> Toyota I owned, but the last. So, I don't know when they moved to a
>>> better design like other manufacturers were using. Not that other
>>> manufacturers like Nissan, Honda, etc haven't had their issues too,
>>> and American history on engineering and defects is sometimes quite the
>>> hoot. But, I didn't need to be jerked around again by corporate
>>> attorneys when my car needed a simple $300 warranty repair due to bad
>>> design.
>>
>> What do you own/drive now?
>
> Well? By your own standard, your whine doesn't hold water unless you can
> name a car brand that does better by its customers. What do you drive/own?

My guess is that Hyundai is pretty good although that's just my initial
impression after owning a used one for a couple of months. Time will
tell. They're gonna replace the evaporator core in my 2006 Sonata under
the 50K bumper to bumper warranty and I'm the 3rd owner. Thank God!

From: David Z on 23 Apr 2010 20:35
"me" <noemail(a)nothere.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 22 Apr 2010 07:48:24 -0400, "David Z" <me(a)privacy.net> wrote:
>
>>"David Z" <me(a)privacy.net> wrote in message
>>news:839gq2F34eU1(a)mid.individual.net...
>>> "David Z" <me(a)privacy.net> wrote in message
>>> news:830vcmFhi2U1(a)mid.individual.net...
>>>> "me" <noemail(a)nothere.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:lgfms59fi9bs5ne8du47h67qtvpi9va523(a)4ax.com...
>>>>> On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 00:12:19 -1000, dsi1 <dsi1(a)spamnet.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Thanks for the info. I'll have to check this out when I see an 86
>>>>>>Toyota.
>>>>>
>>>>> You'll have to, because I certainly won't be... that was the third
>>>>> Toyota I owned, but the last. So, I don't know when they moved to a
>>>>> better design like other manufacturers were using. Not that other
>>>>> manufacturers like Nissan, Honda, etc haven't had their issues too,
>>>>> and American history on engineering and defects is sometimes quite the
>>>>> hoot. But, I didn't need to be jerked around again by corporate
>>>>> attorneys when my car needed a simple $300 warranty repair due to bad
>>>>> design.
>>>>
>>>> What do you own/drive now?
>>>
>>> Well? By your own standard, your whine doesn't hold water unless you
>>> can
>>> name a car brand that does better by its customers. What do you
>>> drive/own?
>>
>>The silence speaks volumes. The guy probably bought another Toyota and
>>now
>>is embarrassed to admit it.
>>
>
> You didn't major in logic, did you? The fact that Toyota has a long
> history of avoiding major warranty payouts; the fact that I personally
> experienced that back in the 1980s; and the fact that they are now
> seeing their long term cultural (corporate and Asian) problems come
> home to roost are not impacted in any way by what vehicle I drive now.
>
> Your only reason for asking the question was an cheap attempt to point
> a "yours too" finger at me. Even if you were able to do that, it would
> not change the history and current status of Toyota.

You didn't major in logic, did you? The question remains, compared to what?

Hypothetically, I can complain about the best product on the market all day.
It's moot. At the end of the day, a consumer as to choose between products
A, B, C, D, etc. (Is that logical enough for ya?)


From: David Z on 25 Apr 2010 12:49
"David Z" <me(a)privacy.net> wrote in message
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> "me" <noemail(a)nothere.com> wrote in message
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>> On Thu, 22 Apr 2010 07:48:24 -0400, "David Z" <me(a)privacy.net> wrote:
>>
>>>"David Z" <me(a)privacy.net> wrote in message
>>>news:839gq2F34eU1(a)mid.individual.net...
>>>> "David Z" <me(a)privacy.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:830vcmFhi2U1(a)mid.individual.net...
>>>>> "me" <noemail(a)nothere.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:lgfms59fi9bs5ne8du47h67qtvpi9va523(a)4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 00:12:19 -1000, dsi1 <dsi1(a)spamnet.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Thanks for the info. I'll have to check this out when I see an 86
>>>>>>>Toyota.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You'll have to, because I certainly won't be... that was the third
>>>>>> Toyota I owned, but the last. So, I don't know when they moved to a
>>>>>> better design like other manufacturers were using. Not that other
>>>>>> manufacturers like Nissan, Honda, etc haven't had their issues too,
>>>>>> and American history on engineering and defects is sometimes quite
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> hoot. But, I didn't need to be jerked around again by corporate
>>>>>> attorneys when my car needed a simple $300 warranty repair due to bad
>>>>>> design.
>>>>>
>>>>> What do you own/drive now?
>>>>
>>>> Well? By your own standard, your whine doesn't hold water unless you
>>>> can
>>>> name a car brand that does better by its customers. What do you
>>>> drive/own?
>>>
>>>The silence speaks volumes. The guy probably bought another Toyota and
>>>now
>>>is embarrassed to admit it.
>>>
>>
>> You didn't major in logic, did you? The fact that Toyota has a long
>> history of avoiding major warranty payouts; the fact that I personally
>> experienced that back in the 1980s; and the fact that they are now
>> seeing their long term cultural (corporate and Asian) problems come
>> home to roost are not impacted in any way by what vehicle I drive now.
>>
>> Your only reason for asking the question was an cheap attempt to point
>> a "yours too" finger at me. Even if you were able to do that, it would
>> not change the history and current status of Toyota.
>
> You didn't major in logic, did you? The question remains, compared to
> what?
>
> Hypothetically, I can complain about the best product on the market all
> day. It's moot. At the end of the day, a consumer has to choose between
> products A, B, C, D, etc. (Is that logical enough for ya?)

Repeated silence speaks even more volumes. Like I said before, he probably
bought another Toyota and now is embarrassed to admit it.


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