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From: hls on 17 Apr 2010 20:50

"me" <noemail(a)nothere.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 06:21:31 -0700, "Bill"
> <billnomailnospamx(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>This could be a problem with the Asian culture or language.
>>
>>For one, I think it is rude in that culture to point out that something is
>>wrong? To confront someone and say they are not correct, etc. To tell
>>someone their product has faults. No problem doing this in America...
>>
>>Then due to the complexity of languages there, I think it is common for
>>people to never fully understand everything in their languages. I think
>>they
>>tend to be passive if they don't understand something someone says - do
>>nothing. In America we would say "What do you mean? Please explain!"
>
> You're in the ballpark, but I don't know that you are hitting the
> nail. Toyota REFUSES to admit to problems, even when they are glaring
> and obvious and have serious implications.

In this part of the country, you would be known as a "turdhead".

Companies make mistakes.. What really matters is how they deal
with the mistake after it occurs.

If it is a GM mistake, it is normally ignored.

If Toyota makes a mistake, a "turdhead" normally tries to make it
more than it is.

My cars have been considered, even though there was NEVER any
instance of a problem, and they have been updated.

No problem at all.

Except to a "turdhead".


From: dsi1 on 18 Apr 2010 06:12
On 4/17/2010 7:17 PM, me wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 09:55:00 -1000, dsi1
> <dsi1(a)humuhumunukunukuapua'a.org> wrote:
>
>> On 4/17/2010 4:27 AM, me wrote:
>>
>>> I had a problem with my Toyota back in 1986 while still under factory
>>> warranty. It was a relatively small problem but could result in a car
>>> fire. It was clearly a design issue and likely affecting every single
>>> Toyota they'd made.
>>>
>>
>> What was the problem? Is there a reason why you are not saying what it
>> is? I'd sure want to know. Thanks.
>
> The problem was three fold: First, the air intake ducts under the cowl
> were on the bottom, not rear (firewall) or ducted from above as they
> are on better designed cars. That allows (and almost begs for) foreign
> matter such as pine needles to be pulled into the duct system. Second,
> the fan then chops that material and sends it along to the third
> problem: the heating fan resistors were exposed wound wire type that
> literally glowed cherry red when used to keep the fan on lower speeds
> (unlike properly designed systems in other vehicles where they are
> encased in an aluminum cover/heatsink).
>
> The result was that the bottom draft duct design allowed the material
> to be pulled in, the fan then chopped it up and packed it against the
> resistors, then the resistors ignited it. Fire would result, with the
> fan literally fanning the flames.
>
> The ductwork problem is not easily rectified in the field, it's a
> engineering issue. However, the problem could have been repaired
> simply by encasing the resistors in an aluminum heatsink/cover that
> would have prevented ignition.

Thanks for the info. I'll have to check this out when I see an 86 Toyota.
From: hls on 18 Apr 2010 10:24

"john" <johngdole(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"The Japanese automaker also said it had been able to duplicate a flaw
in the skid control system on new Lexus GX 460 sport utility vehicles,
but said it had not yet settled on exactly how to fix the problem.


Your subject line is a misleading (almost certainly your aim).

They have not decided how to implement the fix, it is not that they
dont know how to do it. Two very different things...

From: David Z on 18 Apr 2010 13:55
"me" <noemail(a)nothere.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 00:12:19 -1000, dsi1 <dsi1(a)spamnet.com> wrote:
>
>>Thanks for the info. I'll have to check this out when I see an 86 Toyota.
>
> You'll have to, because I certainly won't be... that was the third
> Toyota I owned, but the last. So, I don't know when they moved to a
> better design like other manufacturers were using. Not that other
> manufacturers like Nissan, Honda, etc haven't had their issues too,
> and American history on engineering and defects is sometimes quite the
> hoot. But, I didn't need to be jerked around again by corporate
> attorneys when my car needed a simple $300 warranty repair due to bad
> design.

What do you own/drive now?


From: chuckcar on 18 Apr 2010 13:57
john <johngdole(a)hotmail.com> wrote in
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> "The Japanese automaker also said it had been able to duplicate a flaw
> in the skid control system on new Lexus GX 460 sport utility vehicles,
> but said it had not yet settled on exactly how to fix the problem.
>
> The automaker stopped selling the Lexus GX460, a SUV sold by Toyota�s
> luxury brand, earlier this week after Consumer Reports deemed the
> truck unsafe to drive because its skid controls allowed the vehicle to
> veer to the side before regaining control in certain maneuvers.
>
> http://www.freep.com/article/20100416/BUSINESS01/4160356/1331/business0
> 1/Toyota-solution-may-come-in-summer

I wasn't aware it wasn't working properly in the first place. I've seen
a skid from hell that by any rights should have rolled the thing, but
not even a tire cocked.

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