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From: chuckcar on 18 Apr 2010 15:56
me <noemail(a)nothere.com> wrote in
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> On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 09:55:00 -1000, dsi1
> <dsi1(a)humuhumunukunukuapua'a.org> wrote:
>
>>On 4/17/2010 4:27 AM, me wrote:
>>
>>> I had a problem with my Toyota back in 1986 while still under
>>> factory warranty. It was a relatively small problem but could result
>>> in a car fire. It was clearly a design issue and likely affecting
>>> every single Toyota they'd made.
>>>
>>
>>What was the problem? Is there a reason why you are not saying what it
>>is? I'd sure want to know. Thanks.
>
> The problem was three fold: First, the air intake ducts under the cowl
> were on the bottom, not rear (firewall) or ducted from above as they
> are on better designed cars. That allows (and almost begs for) foreign
> matter such as pine needles to be pulled into the duct system. Second,
> the fan then chops that material and sends it along to the third
> problem: the heating fan resistors were exposed wound wire type that
> literally glowed cherry red when used to keep the fan on lower speeds
> (unlike properly designed systems in other vehicles where they are
> encased in an aluminum cover/heatsink).
>
> The result was that the bottom draft duct design allowed the material
> to be pulled in, the fan then chopped it up and packed it against the
> resistors, then the resistors ignited it. Fire would result, with the
> fan literally fanning the flames.
>
> The ductwork problem is not easily rectified in the field, it's a
> engineering issue. However, the problem could have been repaired
> simply by encasing the resistors in an aluminum heatsink/cover that
> would have prevented ignition.

Well, you don't get massive fuel economy for nothing *something* has to
burn. I suppose your car didn't have a radiator either?

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From: David Z on 22 Apr 2010 07:48
"David Z" <me(a)privacy.net> wrote in message
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> "David Z" <me(a)privacy.net> wrote in message
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>> "me" <noemail(a)nothere.com> wrote in message
>> news:lgfms59fi9bs5ne8du47h67qtvpi9va523(a)4ax.com...
>>> On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 00:12:19 -1000, dsi1 <dsi1(a)spamnet.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Thanks for the info. I'll have to check this out when I see an 86
>>>>Toyota.
>>>
>>> You'll have to, because I certainly won't be... that was the third
>>> Toyota I owned, but the last. So, I don't know when they moved to a
>>> better design like other manufacturers were using. Not that other
>>> manufacturers like Nissan, Honda, etc haven't had their issues too,
>>> and American history on engineering and defects is sometimes quite the
>>> hoot. But, I didn't need to be jerked around again by corporate
>>> attorneys when my car needed a simple $300 warranty repair due to bad
>>> design.
>>
>> What do you own/drive now?
>
> Well? By your own standard, your whine doesn't hold water unless you can
> name a car brand that does better by its customers. What do you
> drive/own?

The silence speaks volumes. The guy probably bought another Toyota and now
is embarrassed to admit it.


From: E. Meyer on 22 Apr 2010 11:59
On 4/22/10 6:48 AM, in article 83arbmF319U1(a)mid.individual.net, "David Z"
<me(a)privacy.net> wrote:

> "David Z" <me(a)privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:839gq2F34eU1(a)mid.individual.net...
>> "David Z" <me(a)privacy.net> wrote in message
>> news:830vcmFhi2U1(a)mid.individual.net...
>>> "me" <noemail(a)nothere.com> wrote in message
>>> news:lgfms59fi9bs5ne8du47h67qtvpi9va523(a)4ax.com...
>>>> On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 00:12:19 -1000, dsi1 <dsi1(a)spamnet.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the info. I'll have to check this out when I see an 86
>>>>> Toyota.
>>>>
>>>> You'll have to, because I certainly won't be... that was the third
>>>> Toyota I owned, but the last. So, I don't know when they moved to a
>>>> better design like other manufacturers were using. Not that other
>>>> manufacturers like Nissan, Honda, etc haven't had their issues too,
>>>> and American history on engineering and defects is sometimes quite the
>>>> hoot. But, I didn't need to be jerked around again by corporate
>>>> attorneys when my car needed a simple $300 warranty repair due to bad
>>>> design.
>>>
>>> What do you own/drive now?
>>
>> Well? By your own standard, your whine doesn't hold water unless you can
>> name a car brand that does better by its customers. What do you
>> drive/own?
>
> The silence speaks volumes. The guy probably bought another Toyota and now
> is embarrassed to admit it.
>
>
More likely he either dropped you in his kill file and never saw it, or just
got tired of the playful banter and went looking for a serious car forum.

From: Paul Hovnanian P.E. on 22 Apr 2010 14:07
john wrote:

> "The Japanese automaker also said it had been able to duplicate a flaw
> in the skid control system on new Lexus GX 460 sport utility vehicles,
> but said it had not yet settled on exactly how to fix the problem.

Big sticker on the dash that reads "THIS IS AN SUV. NOT A SPORTS CAR. DRIVE
ACCORDINGLY".

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Paul Hovnanian paul(a)hovnanian.com
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From: Michael on 22 Apr 2010 16:21
On Apr 17, 7:27 am, me <noem...(a)nothere.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 06:21:31 -0700, "Bill"
>
> <billnomailnosp...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> >This could be a problem with the Asian culture or language.
>
> >For one, I think it is rude in that culture to point out that something is
> >wrong? To confront someone and say they are not correct, etc. To tell
> >someone their product has faults. No problem doing this in America...
>
> >Then due to the complexity of languages there, I think it is common for
> >people to never fully understand everything in their languages. I think they
> >tend to be passive if they don't understand something someone says - do
> >nothing. In America we would say "What do you mean? Please explain!"
>
> You're in the ballpark, but I don't know that you are hitting the
> nail. Toyota REFUSES to admit to problems, even when they are glaring
> and obvious and have serious implications. That may be somewhat
> cultural, but they know enough about business that they realize the
> business implications of denial, or acknowledgement, both culturally
> and in a business sense.
>
> I had a problem with my Toyota back in 1986 while still under factory
> warranty. It was a relatively small problem but could result in a car
> fire. It was clearly a design issue and likely affecting every single
> Toyota they'd made.


What was the problem? How did you fix it?

Michael
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