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From: dsi1 on 3 Feb 2010 17:33
On 2/3/2010 2:19 AM, IYM wrote:
>
> Just saw the new story about Toyota's beloved Prius having problems with
> the brakes....Looks like it is limited to Japan right now, but may
> expand....Never rains, but it pours....Toyota looks like it's getting a
> bloody nose right now....

My neighbor had to have the power steering pump replace on her 2 year
old Camry Hybrid. That's the breaks. Nobody has much experience with
electrically powered PS pumps or computer controlled engine throttling.
This is new technology that soon could be standard on all cars. Glitches
like this are to expected and should we expect rare transient events to
be easy to diagnose. Whether you are a Toyota fan or not, the truth is
that Toyota is paying the price for being a consumer technology leader.

Personally, I don't buy that sticking brake pedal business. :-)
From: dsi1 on 3 Feb 2010 17:37
On 2/3/2010 12:33 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On 2/3/2010 2:19 AM, IYM wrote:
>>
>> Just saw the new story about Toyota's beloved Prius having problems with
>> the brakes....Looks like it is limited to Japan right now, but may
>> expand....Never rains, but it pours....Toyota looks like it's getting a
>> bloody nose right now....
>
> My neighbor had to have the power steering pump replace on her 2 year
> old Camry Hybrid. That's the breaks. Nobody has much experience with
> electrically powered PS pumps or computer controlled engine throttling.
> This is new technology that soon could be standard on all cars. Glitches
> like this are to expected and should we expect rare transient events to
> be easy to diagnose. Whether you are a Toyota fan or not, the truth is
> that Toyota is paying the price for being a consumer technology leader.
>
> Personally, I don't buy that sticking brake pedal business. :-)

Better make that:

> Glitches like this are to expected and we should NOT expect rare
> transient events to be easy to diagnose.

:-)
From: jim beam on 15 Feb 2010 13:16
On 02/15/2010 09:25 AM, C. E. White wrote:
> "Clive"<Clive(a)yewbank.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:g3bT6sLrnXeLFwxY(a)yewbank.demon.co.uk...
>> In message<zLSdneVUS98y6OTWnZ2dnUVZ_uednZ2d(a)speakeasy.net>, jim
>> beam<me(a)privacy.net> writes
>>>> There is nothing wrong with the Prius...well except incompetent
>>>> Customers don't understand how the brakes work and panic when they
>>>> don't stop the car...
>>> now that is deliberately deceitful bullshit.
>> I've driven a Mk3 Prius, when you brake in an emergency fashion, The
>> disc brakes are engaged, it's only under partial or light braking
>> that you get the regen. then a swap to the discs to finally bring
>> you to a stand. All that Toyota are doing is reprogramming it's
>> software so the isn't a slight pause between both.
>
> It is not the fact that Toyota has a minor problem with the Prius
> brakes, or sudden acceleration, or bad ball joints, or rusting frames,
> or leaky fuel systems that bothers me...it is that in every case,
> Toyota's first reaction is to deny there is a problem, the second
> reaction is to blame the Customer, the third reaction is to blame a
> supplier,, etc......at least in the past they never seemed to be
> willing to face up to facts - they designed the vehicles, they built
> the vehicles, and they sold the vehicles to what they keep claiming or
> incompetent Customers......When is Toyota going to honestly admit,
> they screwed up? So far all I've heard are a bunch insincere sounding
> apologies and promises to do better in the future.

oh, bullshit. you evidently haven't driven a toyota, and you evidently
don't have any interface with the general public in your work - some
people do nothing but groundlessly whine and complain.

fact is, frod paying off the families of the bereaved while continuing
to sell vehicles it knows to be defective is "insincere". toyota
investigating and concluding that a whiner's complaints are groundless
is not - it's absolutely the right thing to do.

"news at 11 - nasa cancels space program because kook from flat earth
society complains that 'orbit' is impossible."


>
>
> Ed
>
>


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nomina rutrum rutrum
From: jim beam on 15 Feb 2010 14:33
On 02/15/2010 11:22 AM, Clive wrote:
> In message <hlc0l1$mpu$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>, C. E. White
> <cewhite3(a)mindspring.com> writes
>> .When is Toyota going to honestly admit,
>> they screwed up? So far all I've heard are a bunch insincere sounding
>> apologies and promises to do better in the future.
> As I've already pointed out, I've already received a

need to add: "VOLUNTARY".

unlike our "fine and worthy" [not] domestics that will spend hundreds of
millions of dollars on lobbying and avoidance rather than do the right
thing.


> recall notice on my
> Auris, and our government hasn't mentioned anything about it.


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nomina rutrum rutrum
From: dr_jeff on 15 Feb 2010 18:56
Really? Why is this in the toyota, toyota.camry, nissan and ford groups?

I told you I am sober. What are you?

Mike Hunter wrote:
> (Cross posting deleted, automatically)
>
>
> "C. E. White" <cewhite3(a)mindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:hlbiue$lc4$1(a)news.eternal-september.org...
>>
>>
>> Untill forced by NHTSA, Toyota seemed perfectly willing to blame the
>> Customers. Once forced to admit there was a problem they immedaitely tried
>> to find a scape goat (CTS, Customers, floor mat suppliers, etc.). Oh What
>> a Feeling.
>>
>> Ed
>>
>
>
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