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From: Bob on 3 Feb 2010 12:44
Hello,

Are the recalls for the gas pedal problem related solely to: if you take
your foot off, the car keeps going (at a constant speed) ?

I have heard some comments that the car actually speeds up.

If so, how can it possibly be just friction holding the gas pedal in a
fixed position ? Wouldn't this be more computer related ?

Have there bee complaints (also) along this line ?

Thanks,
Bob
From: Jeff Strickland on 3 Feb 2010 13:02

"Bob" <rgsros(a)notme.invalid> wrote in message
news:hkccm9$j3u$1(a)news.eternal-september.org...
> Hello,
>
> Are the recalls for the gas pedal problem related solely to: if you take
> your foot off, the car keeps going (at a constant speed) ?
>
> I have heard some comments that the car actually speeds up.
>
> If so, how can it possibly be just friction holding the gas pedal in a
> fixed position ? Wouldn't this be more computer related ?
>
> Have there bee complaints (also) along this line ?
>
> Thanks,
> Bob

The reports are that the car speeds up. It could be that the car does not
coast because the pedal is stuck -- Toyota is saying the pedal is
mechanically stuck (binding) -- so the driver fiddles with the pedal using
his foot, and the pedal sticks further down causing the car to speed up, and
the cycle continues ...

The reported fix is a shim that is slipped between the return spring and a
fixed support piece. If the spring is binding on the support, then the pedal
will not return when the foot is lifted, the shim is intended to provide a
smoother surface than the metal-to-metal contact that happens now.

You're right though, if the car is speeding up AND the pedal isn't actually
stuck, then this would seem to point to a computer related problem. But if
the car is cruising along, the driver lifts his foot but the car does not
slow, so the driver manipulates the pedal with his foot and the car then
speeds, this would indicate the pedal is stuck due to mechanical failure.







From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 3 Feb 2010 19:32
On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 10:02:47 -0800, Jeff Strickland wrote:

>
> "Bob" <rgsros(a)notme.invalid> wrote in message
> news:hkccm9$j3u$1(a)news.eternal-september.org...
>> Hello,
>>
>> Are the recalls for the gas pedal problem related solely to: if you take
>> your foot off, the car keeps going (at a constant speed) ?
>>
>> I have heard some comments that the car actually speeds up.
>>
>> If so, how can it possibly be just friction holding the gas pedal in a
>> fixed position ? Wouldn't this be more computer related ?
>>
>> Have there bee complaints (also) along this line ?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Bob
>
> The reports are that the car speeds up. It could be that the car does not
> coast because the pedal is stuck -- Toyota is saying the pedal is
> mechanically stuck (binding) -- so the driver fiddles with the pedal using
> his foot, and the pedal sticks further down causing the car to speed up,
> and the cycle continues ...
>
> The reported fix is a shim that is slipped between the return spring and a
> fixed support piece. If the spring is binding on the support, then the
> pedal will not return when the foot is lifted, the shim is intended to
> provide a smoother surface than the metal-to-metal contact that happens
> now.
>
> You're right though, if the car is speeding up AND the pedal isn't
> actually stuck, then this would seem to point to a computer related
> problem. But if the car is cruising along, the driver lifts his foot but
> the car does not slow, so the driver manipulates the pedal with his foot
> and the car then speeds, this would indicate the pedal is stuck due to
> mechanical failure.

Just replace them with Denso made pedals, and cut CTS out of the loop.

I'm sure they've been cut as a supplier already.



From: C. E. White on 3 Feb 2010 22:50

"Hachiroku ハチロク" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message
news:pan.2010.02.04.00.32.17.399577(a)e86.GTS...

> Just replace them with Denso made pedals, and cut CTS out of the loop.

If Denso is so great, why is the Japanese goverment forcing Toyota to
recall Prusi'es.
>
> I'm sure they've been cut as a supplier already.

Probably not. For a couple of reasons - 1) Toyota either designed the part
and/or approved the design and is the liable party, and 2) Toyota needs all
the pedal assemblies it can get.

Given Toyota's buisness practices, I am sure they nickel and dimed CTS
almost to the point of zero profit on the pedals. Toyota is famous for
screwing suppliers (and Customers).

Ed

From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 3 Feb 2010 23:00
On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 22:50:07 -0500, C. E. White wrote:

>
> "Hachiroku ハチロク" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message
> news:pan.2010.02.04.00.32.17.399577(a)e86.GTS...
>
>> Just replace them with Denso made pedals, and cut CTS out of the loop.
>
> If Denso is so great, why is the Japanese goverment forcing Toyota to
> recall Prusi'es.
>>
>> I'm sure they've been cut as a supplier already.
>
> Probably not. For a couple of reasons - 1) Toyota either designed the part
> and/or approved the design and is the liable party, and 2) Toyota needs
> all the pedal assemblies it can get.
>
> Given Toyota's buisness practices, I am sure they nickel and dimed CTS
> almost to the point of zero profit on the pedals. Toyota is famous for
> screwing suppliers (and Customers).
>
> Ed


Why aren't the Japanese-supplied accelerator pedals causing problems?


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