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From: dr_jeff on 15 Feb 2010 19:06
Mike Hunter wrote:
> (Cross posting deleted, automatically)
>
> Not any more

You're not sober any more. I believe it.

Jeff

> "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message
> news:2pSdnTolOtuOQuTWnZ2dnUVZ_rZi4p2d(a)giganews.com...
>> Really? Why is this in the toyota, toyota.camry, nissan and ford groups?
>>
>> I told you I am sober. What are you?
>>
>> Mike Hunter wrote:
>>> (Cross posting deleted, automatically)
>>>
>>>
>>> "C. E. White" <cewhite3(a)mindspring.com> wrote in message
>>> news:hlbiue$lc4$1(a)news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>
>>>> Untill forced by NHTSA, Toyota seemed perfectly willing to blame the
>>>> Customers. Once forced to admit there was a problem they immedaitely
>>>> tried to find a scape goat (CTS, Customers, floor mat suppliers, etc.).
>>>> Oh What a Feeling.
>>>>
>>>> Ed
>>>>
>
From: dr_jeff on 16 Feb 2010 09:46
C. E. White wrote:
> <I clipped all the repetive attempt to defelect attention from the
> Toyota problems by ranting about other manufacturers>
>
> Your whole line of reasoning seems to mirror the Toyota corporate
> philosophy deny, deny, divert attention. It seems to me you have the
> following opinions:
>
>
>
> * Toyotas are perfect

That sounds like teachers:

Rule #1: Teachers are perfect.

Rule #2: If teachers appear to make a mistake, they are really testing
the students.

<...>
From: jim beam on 17 Feb 2010 10:13
On 02/16/2010 07:01 PM, me wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 07:41:19 -0800, jim beam<me(a)privacy.net> wrote:
>
>> On 02/16/2010 06:22 AM, C. E. White wrote:
>>> <I clipped all the repetive attempt to defelect attention from the
>>> Toyota problems by ranting about other manufacturers>
>>
>> eh? why would you snip all the stuff that you can't address and which
>> illustrates the hypocrisy of your "argument"??? [rhetorical]
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Your whole line of reasoning seems to mirror the Toyota corporate
>>> philosophy deny, deny, divert attention. It seems to me you have the
>>> following opinions:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> * Toyotas are perfect
>>
>> i've never said that. honda are perfect. toyota merely excellent.
>
> Well, Honda would like you to think so. Must be why they stopped
> releasing their TSB's to the public - no TSB's, the cars must not have
> any factory confirmed issues.

that's odd - my grandmother never gets tsb's delivered in the mail for
her frod either. is there something wrong?


>
>
>> that's bullshit and you know it. address the facts - proven toyota
>> mechanical issues are insignificant. especially in comparison with
>> domestics that kill hundreds of times more people. and domestic
>> slaughter is directly attributable to design flaws. toyota is
>> indistinguishable from the idiot factor.
>>
>
> Regardless of what those POS domestic cars are responsible for, Toyota
> has a LONG tradition of refusing to acknowledge major issues with
> their cars.

how can you acknowledge a problem you can't replicate? like any fault
diagnosis, you have to actually catch the problem to be able to solve
it. and of course, you have to make account of the idiot/sheeple factor.


> Denial is their game until the public uproar becomes so
> loud that they have to admit to the faults. Just in the last few years
> we've had the sludge problem,

sludge comes from oil breakdown and possibly also excess moisture.
unless a head gasket has gone, it's hard to see how that could be an
engine's fault if a driver is not getting the engine hot enough to deal
with the latter, or running it too long to cause the former. or maybe
toyota just got ripped for a bulk delivery of sub-standard oil.


> the truck frame problem,

toyota are hardly unique in that. and it's the usa-made componentry
that's the problem. if they weren't paying sufficient attention to q.c.
to catch deficiencies, they do indeed have fault. but it's not a
fundamental design flaw like certain domestics we can mention.


> and the sudden
> acceleration problem.

same as above. a sticking throttle - q.c. inspection toyota didn't
catch from a faulty usa supplier - doesn't mean it's stuck in the full
open position. and it also doesn't mean the driver can't use the
brakes, select neutral or turn off the ignition. i've experienced stuck
throttle, and it sucks. but it wasn't on a toyota and was easily
controlled. twelve vehicles [and two crashes] out of many millions
driven literally billions of miles is a statistical non-event. planes
crash all the time, but i don't hear a political hue and cry about the
very real and statistically significant dangers of flying.


--
nomina rutrum rutrum
From: jim beam on 18 Feb 2010 18:58
On 02/18/2010 02:43 PM, clare(a)snyder.on.ca wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 12:46:05 -0500, "C. E. White"
> <cewhite3(a)mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>> To me the key line in the Design News article is "Toyota considered it
>> to be a drivability issue unrelated to safety." Who would claim a
>> sticking gas pedal is not a safety issue? And, since they knew in 2007
>> that these pedals were sticking, or could stick uder some conditions,
>> why in the heck didn't Toyota change the material sooner? It seem
>> irresponsible to keep using the same material for 3 years after you
>> recognize their is a problem. I guess this is a question of the left
>> hand not knowing what the right hand was doing. If they had spent less
>> time convincing NHTSA that they didn't need to investigate the
>> problem, and more time fixing this "drivability issue" [HA HA], then
>> there wouldn't be any big frenzy now.
>>
>> http://www.designnews.com:80/article/print/448825-Poor_Plastic_Selection_Caused_Gas_Pedal_Failures.php
>>
>> A neighbor of mine ran his Tacoma into a building last week. See
>>
>> http://www.dailyadvance.com/news/driver-stuck-gas-pedal-caused-wreck-15332
>>
>> I think it is interesting how quickly Toyota snatched up the vehicle.
>> I suppose if I was a Toyota executive I wouldn't want to let it fall
>> into the hands of some scum sucking lawyer either. No telling what
>> they might find. Do 2009 Tacomas include a flight recorder function?
>>
>> If I had a problem like this, I would not let the manufacturer impound
>> the vehicle until I had an independent party to look it over and
>> document the condition of the vehicle.
>>
>> Ed
>>
> And under the current conditions, if you were Toyota you definitely
> would NOT allow the vehicle to be "inspected" by anyone else without
> your people being there and involved. WAY too easy for someone with an
> agenda to fake the inspection.
>
> What needs to be done id to have both an independent party and Toyota
> investigate co-operatively to determine what the cause REALLY was.
>
> With all the information out there today, there is NO EXCUSE for
> someone having a stuck throttle episode. - defective pedal or not. If
> the pedal gets stiff/sticky - DON"T DRIVE IT. Not like you have no
> idea there might be a problem - and not like they stick without
> warning. They get stiff first.
>

c'mon dude - our detroit shill wants to lynch him some non-union
employerz. "reason",
"logic" or "facts" aren't going to get in the way of his burning torch,
rope and hood.

--
nomina rutrum rutrum
From: IYM "S U N on 19 Feb 2010 13:56
Mike Hunter wrote:
> (Cross posting deleted automatically)

Screw you Mike, you wanna be newsgroup cop. Aren't you late for work at
the Security Kiosk at the mall? Run along now...
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