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From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 31 Jan 2010 17:49 On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 17:05:53 -0800, john wrote: > WASHINGTON -- When owners of Lexus sedans began reporting harrowing > crashes involving stuck accelerator pedals in early 2007, Toyota told > U.S. safety regulators there was no safety problem with its floor mats > -- but it would send owners an orange warning sticker just to be sure. > > The flaw has since been linked to at least 12 deaths, and last week, > Toyota expanded its recall over floor mats to 5.3 million vehicles. As > with a separate recall of 2.3 million cars and trucks for sticky pedals > that also could cause sudden acceleration, the automaker downplayed > early warnings of both problems. > > Full article: > http://www.freep.com/article/20100131/BUSINESS01/1310523/1331/business01/Toyota-accused-of-not-being-frank-on-problem Recall Reason VEHICLE SPEED CONTROL:SPRINGS Recall Date APR 24, 1995 Model Affected CAPRICE Potential Units Affected 87039 Recall Summary THESE VEHICLES FAIL TO CONFORM TO FMVSS NO. 124, "ACCELERATOR CONTROL SYSTEMS." AT LOW TEMPERATURES, EXCESSIVE FRICTION CAN OCCUR IN THE ACCELERATOR PEDAL ASSEMBLY. Consequence CONSEQUENCE OF NON-COMPLIANCE: IN THE EVENT OF A FAILURE OF THE TROTTLE RETURN SPRING, IF THERE IS EXCESSIVE FRICTION IN THE PEDAL ASSEMBLY, THE ENGINE SPEED MAY NOT RETURN TO IDLE INCREASING THE POTENTIAL FOR A VEHICLE CRASH. Remedy DEALERS WILL REPLACE THE ACCELERATOR PEDAL ASSEMBLY. Notes GENERAL MOTORS CORP.
From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 31 Jan 2010 17:53 On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 17:05:53 -0800, john wrote: > WASHINGTON -- When owners of Lexus sedans began reporting harrowing > crashes involving stuck accelerator pedals in early 2007, Toyota told > U.S. safety regulators there was no safety problem with its floor mats > -- but it would send owners an orange warning sticker just to be sure. > > The flaw has since been linked to at least 12 deaths, and last week, > Toyota expanded its recall over floor mats to 5.3 million vehicles. As > with a separate recall of 2.3 million cars and trucks for sticky pedals > that also could cause sudden acceleration, the automaker downplayed > early warnings of both problems. > > Full article: > http://www.freep.com/article/20100131/BUSINESS01/1310523/1331/business01/Toyota-accused-of-not-being-frank-on-problem Recall Reason STRUCTURE Recall Date JAN 18, 2007 Model Affected COBALT Potential Units Affected 98707 Recall Summary CERTAIN PASSENGER VEHICLES NOT EQUIPPED WITH OPTIONAL ROOF-MOUNTED SIDE IMPACT AIR BAGS FAIL TO COMPLY WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF FEDERAL MOTOR VEHICLE SAFETY STANDARD NO. 201, 'OCCUPANT PROTECTION IN INTERIOR IMPACT.' Consequence IN A CRASH, HEAD IMPACT PROTECTION MAY BE INADEQUATE. Remedy DEALERS WILL INSTALL ENERGY ABSORBING PLASTIC TO THE HEADLINER TRIM TO REDUCE THE SEVERITY OF HEAD IMPACTS IN A CRASH. THE RECALL BEGAN ON MARCH 21, 2007. OWNERS MAY CONTACT CHEVROLET AT 1-800-630-2438. Notes GENERAL MOTORS CORP. 06217
From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 1 Feb 2010 15:56 On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 19:53:23 -0500, C. E. White wrote: > > "Hachiroku ハチロク" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message > news:pan.2010.01.31.22.54.34.725705(a)e86.GTS... >> On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 17:05:53 -0800, john wrote: >> >>> WASHINGTON -- When owners of Lexus sedans began <SLAP!> >> >> Get the point yet, Troll? >> >> Toyota has had ONE recall, involving 2.3M vehicles. > > You are forgetting the recall for virtually every truck Toyta sold in the > US for around 5 years becasue of defective ball joints. Or recalls for > rusting frames. And recalls for numerous other defects. Toyota is hardly > the model of excellence you like to pretend they are. I only buy "J" VIN cars. All the examples you point to are "4" VIN vehicles with parts sourced to US suppliers.
From: hls on 2 Feb 2010 09:35 "C. E. White" <cewhite3remove(a)mindspring.com> wrote in message > > You are forgetting the recall for virtually every truck Toyta sold in the > US for around 5 years becasue of defective ball joints. Or recalls for > rusting frames. And recalls for numerous other defects. Toyota is hardly > the model of excellence you like to pretend they are. > > Trying to defend Toyota by saying they are no better than GM is a weak > defense. Toyota has been damaged by this, no doubt. I suspect that Toyota will take a hard look within its organization and try to straighten out the lack of managerial proactiveness that resulted in this loss of quality. They should do so, at least. Had GM listened to the complaints of clients and responded strongly, maybe it would not have had to seek protection of bankruptcy. I think that Toyota has, still, been more honest than GM in dealing with problems.
From: Vic Smith on 2 Feb 2010 09:58
On Tue, 2 Feb 2010 08:35:38 -0600, "hls" <hls(a)nospam.nix> wrote: > >I think that Toyota has, still, been more honest than GM in dealing with >problems. Agree. But it really has nothing to do with honesty per se. More about good business practices. Which is essence is "delivering the goods." If you start there being honest doesn't cut far into the bottom line, because the bottom line is healthy. But I'm sounding a bit chicken/egg here. --Vic |