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From: dr_jeff on 1 Feb 2010 20:37 Conscience wrote: > On 2010-02-01 16:12:10 -0800, dr_jeff <utz(a)msu.edu> said: > >> Mike Hunter wrote: >>> What has that to do with my statement that the advancement is so many >>> things in science, industry and medicine that are the direct result >>> of NASA are immeasurable? >>> >>> Look around you today at the things we have that are the direct >>> result of what the military and NASA did in their space programs. >> >> That doesn't mean that paying for more manned space flight is a good >> use of public funds, when space can be explored with robots. > > News flash: Manned space exploration was NEVER good use of public > funds. Look at cost-per-pound of manned and robotic launches throughout > history. The cost per pound is not an indicator of the value of the flights.
From: Mike Hunter on 2 Feb 2010 18:34 Perhaps, in your opinion. Apparently you believe robots can THINK, but men not robots invented the technology that NASA has provided to our society. LOL "Conscience" <nobama@g�v.com> wrote in message news:hk7vd2$8j2$1(a)news.albasani.net... > On 2010-02-01 16:12:10 -0800, dr_jeff <utz(a)msu.edu> said: > >> Mike Hunter wrote: >>> What has that to do with my statement that the advancement is so many >>> things in science, industry and medicine that are the direct result of >>> NASA are immeasurable? >>> >>> Look around you today at the things we have that are the direct result >>> of what the military and NASA did in their space programs. >> >> That doesn't mean that paying for more manned space flight is a good use >> of public funds, when space can be explored with robots. > > News flash: Manned space exploration was NEVER good use of public funds. > Look at cost-per-pound of manned and robotic launches throughout history. >
From: dr_jeff on 2 Feb 2010 18:47 Mike Hunter wrote: > Perhaps, in your opinion. Apparently you believe robots can THINK, but men > not robots invented the technology that NASA has provided to our society. > LOL Why do you think that? Robots, without thinking, have provided far more data about Earth, Mars, Venus, Jupiter and all other bodies in our solar system, except, perhaps the moon, than astronauts and cosmonauts did. Please explain why it is worth spending the hundreds of billions of dollars on manned space flight to go to the moon rather than use that money to monitor earth and explore other worlds with robots and other ways the money can be spent. Jeff > "Conscience" <nobama@g�v.com> wrote in message > news:hk7vd2$8j2$1(a)news.albasani.net... >> On 2010-02-01 16:12:10 -0800, dr_jeff <utz(a)msu.edu> said: >> >>> Mike Hunter wrote: >>>> What has that to do with my statement that the advancement is so many >>>> things in science, industry and medicine that are the direct result of >>>> NASA are immeasurable? >>>> >>>> Look around you today at the things we have that are the direct result >>>> of what the military and NASA did in their space programs. >>> That doesn't mean that paying for more manned space flight is a good use >>> of public funds, when space can be explored with robots. >> News flash: Manned space exploration was NEVER good use of public funds. >> Look at cost-per-pound of manned and robotic launches throughout history. >> > >
From: Mike Hunter on 2 Feb 2010 20:27 Perhaps after the technology has been developed by men, and THAT costs money, unless you believe robots can reproduce smarter robots. It is the TECHNOLOGY developed by NASA and the space industry that has been passed on to the world, that has made the investment worthwhile. Just ONE example is micro surgery, that has saved thousands, if not millions of lives in the US and around the world. I know you are not an engineer, but even should realize the fine automobiles we have today can be traced back to engineering developed for the space program. "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message news:a9Odnd4Cr4keJPXWnZ2dnUVZ_vudnZ2d(a)giganews.com... > Mike Hunter wrote: >> Perhaps, in your opinion. Apparently you believe robots can THINK, but >> men not robots invented the technology that NASA has provided to our >> society. LOL > > Why do you think that? Robots, without thinking, have provided far more > data about Earth, Mars, Venus, Jupiter and all other bodies in our solar > system, except, perhaps the moon, than astronauts and cosmonauts did. > > Please explain why it is worth spending the hundreds of billions of > dollars on manned space flight to go to the moon rather than use that > money to monitor earth and explore other worlds with robots and other ways > the money can be spent. > > Jeff > >> "Conscience" <nobama@g�v.com> wrote in message >> news:hk7vd2$8j2$1(a)news.albasani.net... >>> On 2010-02-01 16:12:10 -0800, dr_jeff <utz(a)msu.edu> said: >>> >>>> Mike Hunter wrote: >>>>> What has that to do with my statement that the advancement is so many >>>>> things in science, industry and medicine that are the direct result of >>>>> NASA are immeasurable? >>>>> >>>>> Look around you today at the things we have that are the direct result >>>>> of what the military and NASA did in their space programs. >>>> That doesn't mean that paying for more manned space flight is a good >>>> use of public funds, when space can be explored with robots. >>> News flash: Manned space exploration was NEVER good use of public >>> funds. Look at cost-per-pound of manned and robotic launches throughout >>> history. >>> >>
From: dr_jeff on 2 Feb 2010 21:50
Mike Hunter wrote: > Perhaps after the technology has been developed by men, and THAT costs > money, unless you believe robots can reproduce smarter robots. > > It is the TECHNOLOGY developed by NASA and the space industry that has been > passed on to the world, that has made the investment worthwhile. Just ONE > example is micro surgery, that has saved thousands, if not millions of lives > in the US and around the world. > > I know you are not an engineer, but even should realize the fine automobiles > we have today can be traced back to engineering developed for the space > program. Thanks for showing how PAST expenditures have improved lives. Except, Microsurgery was not developed for NASA. It was largely developed to repair the wounds sustained in war. In fact, war has led to many advances in surgery. Likewise, what specific things in cars were developed for NASA? However, you have yet to show why future expenditures are worthwhile. In fact, you haven't even shown that past expenditures were cost effective. If the money were spent on other things, would we have made more inventions? We're talking about hundreds of billions of dollars or even trillions of dollars. And, it is not like NASA is getting less money even with Obama's cuts. It is getting more money. Jeff > "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message > news:a9Odnd4Cr4keJPXWnZ2dnUVZ_vudnZ2d(a)giganews.com... >> Mike Hunter wrote: >>> Perhaps, in your opinion. Apparently you believe robots can THINK, but >>> men not robots invented the technology that NASA has provided to our >>> society. LOL >> Why do you think that? Robots, without thinking, have provided far more >> data about Earth, Mars, Venus, Jupiter and all other bodies in our solar >> system, except, perhaps the moon, than astronauts and cosmonauts did. >> >> Please explain why it is worth spending the hundreds of billions of >> dollars on manned space flight to go to the moon rather than use that >> money to monitor earth and explore other worlds with robots and other ways >> the money can be spent. >> >> Jeff >> >>> "Conscience" <nobama@g�v.com> wrote in message >>> news:hk7vd2$8j2$1(a)news.albasani.net... >>>> On 2010-02-01 16:12:10 -0800, dr_jeff <utz(a)msu.edu> said: >>>> >>>>> Mike Hunter wrote: >>>>>> What has that to do with my statement that the advancement is so many >>>>>> things in science, industry and medicine that are the direct result of >>>>>> NASA are immeasurable? >>>>>> >>>>>> Look around you today at the things we have that are the direct result >>>>>> of what the military and NASA did in their space programs. >>>>> That doesn't mean that paying for more manned space flight is a good >>>>> use of public funds, when space can be explored with robots. >>>> News flash: Manned space exploration was NEVER good use of public >>>> funds. Look at cost-per-pound of manned and robotic launches throughout >>>> history. >>>> > |