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From: dr_jeff on 23 Jan 2010 06:24
http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/temp-analysis-2009.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/22/science/earth/22warming.html?hpw
From: in2dadark on 23 Jan 2010 13:30
On Jan 23, 6:24 am, dr_jeff <u...(a)msu.edu> wrote:
> http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/temp-analysis-2009.htmlhttp://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/22/science/earth/22warming.html?hpw

I don't need nasa for that. I agree it's hotter. But I don't know why
it has to be a red or blue issue... It's hotter in the winters here in
Fla now. I've used the AC more this winter than any I can remember. If
it keeps up I don't think real estate will be worth much down here in
another decade, especially if they have another summer like the last
one.
From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 23 Jan 2010 12:48
On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 06:24:42 -0500, dr_jeff wrote:

> http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/temp-analysis-2009.html
> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/22/science/earth/22warming.html?hpw


Wow. It got out NASA, the IPCC et al have tainted data, and you're still
drinking the K00L-Aid.

Amazing.


From: Mike Hunter on 23 Jan 2010 19:32
Search "James E Hansen, Debunked" and "How can CO2, a gas that comprise less
than one half of one percent of our atmosphere effect the temperature of the
earth, up or down" THEN decide WBMA
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[See: Peer-Reviewed Study challenges 'notion that human emissions are
responsible for global warming' & New Peer-Reviewed Scientific Studies Chill
Global Warming Fears ].

Washington DC, Jan 27th 2009: NASA warming scientist James Hansen, one of
former Vice-President Al Gore's closest allies in the promotion of man-made
global warming fears, is being publicly rebuked by his former supervisor at
NASA.

Retired senior NASA atmospheric scientist, Dr. John S. Theon, the former
supervisor of James Hansen, NASA's vocal man-made global warming fear
soothsayer, has now publicly declared himself a skeptic and declared that
Hansen "embarrassed NASA" with his alarming climate claims and said Hansen
was "was never muzzled." Theon joins the rapidly growing ranks of
international scientists abandoning the promotion of man-made global warming
fears.

"I appreciate the opportunity to add my name to those who disagree that
global warming is man made," Theon wrote to the Minority Office at the
Environment and Public Works Committee on January 15, 2009. "I was, in
effect, Hansen's supervisor because I had to justify his funding, allocate
his resources, and evaluate his results," Theon, the former Chief of the
Climate Processes Research Program at NASA Headquarters and former Chief of
the Atmospheric Dynamics & Radiation Branch explained.

"Hansen was never muzzled even though he violated NASA's official agency
position on climate forecasting (i.e., we did not know enough to forecast
climate change or mankind's effect on it). Hansen thus embarrassed NASA by
coming out with his claims of global warming in 1988 in his testimony before
Congress," Theon wrote. [Note: NASA scientist James Hansen has created
worldwide media frenzy with his dire climate warning, his call for trials
against those who dissent against man-made global warming fear, and his
claims that he was allegedly muzzled by the Bush administration despite
doing 1,400 on-the-job media interviews! - See: Don't Panic Over Predictions
of Climate Doom - Get the Facts on James Hansen - UK Register: Veteran
climate scientist says 'lock up the oil men' - June 23, 2008 & UK Guardian:
NASA scientist calls for putting oil firm chiefs on trial for 'high crimes
against humanity' for spreading doubt about man-made global warming - June
23, 2008 ]

Theon declared "climate models are useless." "My own belief concerning
anthropogenic climate change is that the models do not realistically
simulate the climate system because there are many very important sub-grid
scale processes that the models either replicate poorly or completely omit,"
Theon explained. "Furthermore, some scientists have manipulated the observed
data to justify their model results. In doing so, they neither explain what
they have modified in the observations, nor explain how they did it. They
have resisted making their work transparent so that it can be replicated
independently by other scientists. This is clearly contrary to how science
should be done. Thus there is no rational justification for using climate
model forecasts to determine public policy," he added.

"As Chief of several of NASA Headquarters' programs (1982-94), an SES
position, I was responsible for all weather and climate research in the
entire agency, including the research work by James Hansen, Roy Spencer,
Joanne Simpson, and several hundred other scientists at NASA field centers,
in academia, and in the private sector who worked on climate research,"
Theon wrote of his career. "This required a thorough understanding of the
state of the science. I have kept up with climate science since retiring by
reading books and journal articles," Theon added. (LINK) Theon also
co-authored the book "Advances in Remote Sensing Retrieval Methods." [Note:
Theon joins many current and former NASA scientists in dissenting from
man-made climate fears. A small sampling includes: Aerospace engineer and
physicist Dr. Michael Griffin, the former top administrator of NASA,
Atmospheric Scientist Dr. Joanne Simpson, the first woman in the world to
receive a PhD in meteorology, and formerly of NASA, Geophysicist Dr. Phil
Chapman, an astronautical engineer and former NASA astronaut, Award-Winning
NASA Astronaut/Geologist and Moonwalker Jack Schmitt, Award-winning NASA
Astronaut and Physicist Walter Cunningham of NASA's Apollo 7, Chemist and
Nuclear Engineer Robert DeFayette was formerly with NASA's Plum Brook
Reactor, Hungarian Ferenc Miskolczi, an atmospheric physicist with 30 years
of experience and a former researcher with NASA's Ames Research Center,
Climatologist Dr. John Christy, Climatologist Dr. Roy W. Spencer,
Atmospheric Scientist Ross Hays of NASA's Columbia Scientific Balloon
Facility]

Gore faces a much different scientific climate in 2009 than the one he faced
in 2006 when his film "An Inconvenient Truth" was released. According to
satellite data, the Earth has cooled since Gore's film was released,
Antarctic sea ice extent has grown to record levels, sea level rise has
slowed, ocean temperatures have failed to warm, and more and more scientists
have publicly declared their dissent from man-made climate fears as
peer-reviewed studies continue to man-made counter warming fears. "Vice
President Gore and the other promoters of man-made climate fears endless
claims that the "debate is over" appear to be ignoring scientific reality,"
Senator James Inhofe, Ranking Member of the Environment & Public Works
Committee.

A U.S. Senate Minority Report released in December 2008 details over 650
international scientists who are dissenting from man-made global warming
fears promoted by the UN and yourself. Many of the scientists profiled are
former UN IPCC scientists and former believers in man-made climate change
that have reversed their views in recent years. The report continues to grow
almost daily. We have just received a request from an Italian scientist, and
a Czech scientist to join the 650 dissenting scientists report. A chemist
from the U.S. Naval Academy is about to be added, and more Japanese
scientists are dissenting. Finally, many more meteorologists will be added
and another former UN IPCC scientist is about to be included. These
scientists are openly rebelling against the climate orthodoxy promoted by
Gore and the UN IPCC.

The prestigious International Geological Congress, dubbed the geologists'
equivalent of the Olympic Games, was held in Norway in August 2008 and
prominently featured the voices of scientists skeptical of man-made global
warming fears. Reports from the conference found that Skeptical scientists
overwhelmed the meeting, with '2/3 of presenters and question-askers hostile
to, even dismissive of, the UN IPCC' ( See full reports here & here ] In
addition, a 2008 canvass of more than 51,000 Canadian scientists revealed
68% disagree that global warming science is "settled." A November 25, 2008,
article in Politico noted that a "growing accumulation" of science is
challenging warming fears, and added that the "science behind global warming
may still be too shaky to warrant cap-and-trade legislation." More evidence
that the global warming fear machine is breaking down. Russian scientists
"rejected the very idea that carbon dioxide may be responsible for global
warming". An American Physical Society editor conceded that a "considerable
presence" of scientific skeptics exists. An International team of scientists
countered the UN IPCC, declaring: "Nature, Not Human Activity, Rules the
Climate". India Issued a report challenging global warming fears.
International Scientists demanded the UN IPCC "be called to account and
cease its deceptive practices."

The scientists and peer-reviewed studies countering climate claims are the
key reason that the U.S. public has grown ever more skeptical of man-made
climate doom predictions. [See: Global warming ranks dead last, 20 out of 20
in new Pew survey. Pew Survey: & Survey finds majority of U.S. Voters -
'51% - now believe that humans are not the predominant cause of climate
change' - January 20, 2009 - Rasmussen Reports ]

The chorus of skeptical scientific voices grow louder in 2008 as a steady
stream of peer-reviewed studies, analyses, real world data and inconvenient
developments challenged the UN's and former Vice President Al Gore's claims
that the "science is settled" and there is a "consensus."

On a range of issues, 2008 proved to be challenging for the promoters of
man-made climate fears. Promoters of anthropogenic warming fears endured the
following: Global temperatures failing to warm; Peer-reviewed studies
predicting a continued lack of warming; a failed attempt to revive the
discredited "Hockey Stick"; inconvenient developments and studies regarding
rising CO2; the Spotless Sun; Clouds; Antarctica; the Arctic; Greenland's
ice; Mount Kilimanjaro; Global sea ice; Causes of Hurricanes; Extreme
Storms; Extinctions; Floods; Droughts; Ocean Acidification; Polar Bears;
Extreme weather deaths; Frogs; lack of atmospheric dust; Malaria; the
failure of oceans to warm and rise as predicted.

# # #

ORIGINAL FULL TEXT LETTER SENT VIA EMAILS:

--Original Message--
From: Jtheon [mailto:jtheon(a)XXXXXXX]
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 10:05 PM
To: Morano, Marc (EPW)
Subject: Climate models are useless
Marc, First, I sent several e-mails to you with an error in the address and
they have been returned to me. So I'm resending them in one combined e-mail.
Yes, one could say that I was, in effect, Hansen's supervisor because I had
to justify his funding, allocate his resources, and evaluate his results. I
did not have the authority to give him his annual performance evaluation. He
was never muzzled even though he violated NASA's official agency position on
climate forecasting (i.e., we did not know enough to forecast climate change
or mankind's effect on it). He thus embarrassed NASA by coming out with his
claims of global warming in 1988 in his testimony before Congress.
My own belief concerning anthropogenic climate change is that the models do
not realistically simulate the climate system because there are many very
important sub-grid scale processes that the models either replicate poorly
or completely omit. Furthermore, some scientists have manipulated the
observed data to justify their model results. In doing so, they neither
explain what they have modified in the observations, nor explain how they
did it. They have resisted making their work transparent so that it can be
replicated independently by other scientists. This is clearly contrary to
how science should be done. Thus there is no rational justification for
using climate model forecasts to determine public policy.
With best wishes, John
# #
From: Jtheon [mailto:jtheon(a)XXXXXX]
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:50 PM
To: Morano, Marc (EPW)
Subject: Re: Nice seeing you
Marc, Indeed, it was a pleasure to see you again. I appreciate the
opportunity to add my name to those who disagree that Global Warming is man
made. A brief bio follows. Use as much or as little of it as you wish.
John S. Theon Education: B.S. Aero. Engr. (1953-57); Aerodynamicist, Douglas
Aircraft Co. (1957-58); As USAF Reserve Officer (1958-60),B.S. Meteorology
(1959); Served as Weather Officer 1959-60; M.S, Meteorology (1960-62); NASA
Research Scientist, Goddard Space Flight Ctr. (1962-74); Head Meteorology
Branch, GSFC (1974-76); Asst. Chief, Lab. for Atmos. Sciences, GSFC
(1977-78); Program Scientist, NASA Global Weather Research Program, NASA
Hq. (1978-82); Chief, Atmospheric Dynamics & Radiation Branch NASA Hq.,
(1982-91); Ph.D., Engr. Science & Mech.: course of study and dissertation
in atmos. science (1983-85); Chief, Atmospheric Dynamics, Radiation, &
Hydrology Branch, NASA Hq. (1991-93); Chief, Climate Processes Research
Program, NASA Hq. (1993-94); Senior Scientist, Mission to Planet Earth
Office, NASA Hq. (1994-95); Science Consultant, Institute for Global
Environmental Strategies (1995-99); Science Consultant Orbital Sciences
Corp. (1996-97) and NASA Jet Propulsion Lab., (1997-99).
As Chief of several NASA Hq. Programs (1982-94), an SES position, I was
responsible for all weather and climate research in the entire agency,
including the research work by James Hansen, Roy Spencer, Joanne Simpson,
and several hundred other scientists at NASA field centers, in academia, and
in the private sector who worked on climate research. This required a
thorough understanding of the state of the science. I have kept up with
climate science since retiring by reading books and journal articles. I
hope that this is helpful.
Best wishes, John

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"The atmosphere is a mixture of nitrogen (78%), oxygen (21%), and all the
other gases (1%) that surrounds. The balance is moisture Earth. High above
the planet, the atmosphere becomes thinner until it gradually reaches space.
It is divided into five layers."

"People usually describe the temperature as hot or cold. The real definition
of temperature is the measure of the average speed of air molecules."

"Even though temperature changes every day and every season, the Earth's
average temperature is always in the right range to support life.

"Carbon dioxide (CO2) is a kind of gas, that comprises less than 1% (.004)
of the atmosphere. That isn't that much carbon dioxide in but it is still
important. Carbon dioxide is one of the Greenhouse gas the helps trap heat
coming from the Sun in our atmosphere through the greenhouse effect Without
the gasses in our air, the Earth would much colder."

"Moisture can be found in the form of Ice, Water, Vapor and Ions in the
Troposphere"

"The Troposphere is the first level of the atmosphere and where all of the
moisture is found and it has the greatest single effect on the temperature"
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> http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/temp-analysis-2009.html
> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/22/science/earth/22warming.html?hpw


From: Mike Hunter on 23 Jan 2010 19:35
You should have been around in the Thirties if that is what you want to
believe.

As to the temperature in Florida, just a week or so ago it was 34 degrees at
my place in Key West, the lowest temperature ever recorded here


"in2dadark" <in2dadark(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Jan 23, 6:24 am, dr_jeff <u...(a)msu.edu> wrote:
> http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/temp-analysis-2009.htmlhttp://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/22/science/earth/22warming.html?hpw

I don't need nasa for that. I agree it's hotter. But I don't know why
it has to be a red or blue issue... It's hotter in the winters here in
Fla now. I've used the AC more this winter than any I can remember. If
it keeps up I don't think real estate will be worth much down here in
another decade, especially if they have another summer like the last
one.


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